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Joined: 28/10/2008(UTC) Posts: 21,114  Location: Market Warsop, Nottinghamshire, East Midlands
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Originally Posted by: Col  I noticed that typo, normally I would have corrected it myself but on this occasion, hey I just couldn't be bothered. As for August I have a gut feeling it's going to be a good one. Possibly a very good one. I think this summer is going to turn out very average overall. There has been some distinctly 'average' weather around recently and to counteract much of June being shockingly bad there will need to be a proper heatwave in August. And as had often been said on here, we are long overdue a good August. I'd like to think that summer 2019 will become known as the 'fine wine' summer. Just gets better as it gets older :)  Fine wine summer! I like that!  |
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Joined: 20/11/2015(UTC) Posts: 6,400 Location: Central Southern England
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Originally Posted by: Col  I noticed that typo, normally I would have corrected it myself but on this occasion, hey I just couldn't be bothered. As for August I have a gut feeling it's going to be a good one. Possibly a very good one. I think this summer is going to turn out very average overall. There has been some distinctly 'average' weather around recently and to counteract much of June being shockingly bad there will need to be a proper heatwave in August. And as had often been said on here, we are long overdue a good August. I'd like to think that summer 2019 will become known as the 'fine wine' summer. Just gets better as it gets older :) Me too. Last year was so front-loaded; this year is more like 1983, 1990, 1995: June having to fight for its identity then slowly cranking up thereafter. |
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Joined: 07/10/2006(UTC) Posts: 6,485  Location: Chineham, Basingstoke
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Here is the link to the contingency planners forecast for Jul / Jul-Sep https://www.metoffice.gov.uk/binaries/content/assets/metofficegovuk/pdf/business/public-sector/civil-contingency/forecast-temp-jas-v2.pdf Fig T3 shows the data points from the models for July 2019. The mid-point of the range appears to be in the upper 15's which is somewhat below the long run mean. My analogue analysis looked at years where May and June were both close to average. Since 1950 this gave 8 matches. There were 5 years below average with a CET between 14.7C and 15.9C (1958, 1961, 1974, 1978. 1980). Two years were close to average at around 16.8C (1969, 1997). One year was very warm with 18.6C (1995). So overall a general signal from both the analogues and the contingency planners forecast for something a little below average if you look at everything in the round. If we expect the matching back beyond May we find that 1961 and 1997 are the best matches to 2019 as Feb, Mar and Apr were all warm in these years. 1961 had a cool Jul CET at 15.2C and 1997 was close to average at 16.7C. 1997 is clearly more representative of modern times and the general warming trend. The model output at the start of the month, as per post 1 of this thread also pointed to something average or slightly below. Given all the above and the fact that the last two months have been close to average, I decided to go for another average month with my prediction of 16.8C. Full list of predictions coming shortly. |
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Joined: 14/07/2012(UTC) Posts: 28,101  Location: Peasedown St John. N.E. Sommerset
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Good Morning GW welcome back. Met Office Hadley 16.7c. Anomaly 0.8c. Provisional to 13th. Metcheck 16.68c Anomaly 0.22c Netweather 17.23c Anomaly 0.74c Mean of my 10 stations 17.49c. Difference -0.29c. |
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Joined: 07/10/2006(UTC) Posts: 6,485  Location: Chineham, Basingstoke
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Latest CET tracker for July The first half of the month will finish very close to average. The second half looks much warmer although this is largely down to very warm nights generally. Nothing especially warm by day as things currently stand although should see mid 20's quite widely across the CET area by the third week of July. Hadley is currently tracking well ahead of my prediction at 16.72C vs. 16.26C. So a 0.46C difference. Expect a large downward adjustment this month. |
Chineham, Basingstoke, Hampshire, 86m asl |
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Joined: 07/04/2006(UTC) Posts: 14,736  Location: Folkestone
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Welcome back GW Drum roll as we await the predictions / results.  |
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Joined: 07/10/2006(UTC) Posts: 6,485  Location: Chineham, Basingstoke
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Here are the predictions for July. Sorry for the delay. Despite the rather uninspiring model output at the start of the month, most people have gone for something a little above average which looks a good call. My guess at this point would be a CET around mid 17's but still plenty of time for that to change. Link to full sized table |
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Joined: 20/11/2015(UTC) Posts: 6,400 Location: Central Southern England
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Originally Posted by: Global Warming  Here are the predictions for July. Sorry for the delay. Despite the rather uninspiring model output at the start of the month, most people have gone for something a little above average which looks a good call. My guess at this point would be a CET around mid 17's but still plenty of time for that to change. Link to full sized table Thanks GW; nice to have you back on air.  |
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Joined: 28/10/2008(UTC) Posts: 21,114  Location: Market Warsop, Nottinghamshire, East Midlands
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Welcome home GW! Thanks for the table and no problem with the delay. You did warn us and we all need a holiday! Where did you go by the way? |
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Joined: 18/04/2006(UTC) Posts: 923   Location: St Albans
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Thanks for the update GW. Good to have you back! As I feared, I seem to have blown it for July after a decent run of predictions. The warmer nights than I expected are going to do it for me. I don't think I've ever been at the top or bottom of the prediction list before! |
Living in St Albans, Herts (116m asl) Working at Luton Airport, Beds (160m asl) |
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Joined: 14/07/2012(UTC) Posts: 28,101  Location: Peasedown St John. N.E. Sommerset
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Met Office Hadley 16.7c. Anomaly 0.8c. Provisional to 14th. Metcheck 16.56 Anomaly 0.10c Netweather 17.19c Anomaly 0.7c Mean of my 10 stations 17.42c Difference -0.27c. |
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Joined: 05/04/2006(UTC) Posts: 49,189  Location: St Helens
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Originally Posted by: Caz  Welcome home GW! Thanks for the table and no problem with the delay. You did warn us and we all need a holiday! Where did you go by the way? Central England |
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Martin Home: St Helens (26m asl) Work: Manchester (75m asl)
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Joined: 04/04/2006(UTC) Posts: 398
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Hi GW - my prediction doesn't appear on the list . I've checked my PM and it did get sent on 29 June. Hope you had an enjoyable break 👍 |
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Joined: 28/10/2008(UTC) Posts: 21,114  Location: Market Warsop, Nottinghamshire, East Midlands
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Originally Posted by: Saint Snow   Just your average holiday then!  |
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Joined: 07/10/2006(UTC) Posts: 6,485  Location: Chineham, Basingstoke
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Originally Posted by: Jerry P  Hi GW - my prediction doesn't appear on the list . I've checked my PM and it did get sent on 29 June.
Hope you had an enjoyable break 👍 Sorry Jerry. I do have your prediction and it is logged. It was a range error in my graph that caused you not to appear. 16.3C at the bottom of the table with GezM. |
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Originally Posted by: Saint Snow  Where else! Entirely for research purposes of course. Trying to work out the mean temperature across all the drinking establishments in Central England. Sadly I got too blotto to recall any of the data I collected....... So will have to start all over again. |
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Originally Posted by: Global Warming  Sorry Jerry. I do have your prediction and it is logged. It was a range error in my graph that caused you not to appear. 16.3C at the bottom of the table with GezM. Thanks. I had a feeling that my low guess might have had something to do with it....! |
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Joined: 14/07/2012(UTC) Posts: 28,101  Location: Peasedown St John. N.E. Sommerset
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Met Office Hadley Same for the last 3 days. Today makes it 4 in a row. Met Office Hadley 16.7c. Anomaly 0.8c. Provisional to 15th. Metcheck 16.56c Anomaly 0.10c Netweather 17.16c Anomaly 0.69c Mean of my 10 stations 17.44c. Difference -0.32c. |
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Joined: 05/04/2006(UTC) Posts: 49,189  Location: St Helens
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Originally Posted by: Global Warming  Where else! Entirely for research purposes of course. Trying to work out the mean temperature across all the drinking establishments in Central England. Sadly I got too blotto to recall any of the data I collected....... So will have to start all over again. My kinda plan  (wherever you went, I hope you enjoyed it ) |
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Martin Home: St Helens (26m asl) Work: Manchester (75m asl)
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Joined: 28/10/2008(UTC) Posts: 21,114  Location: Market Warsop, Nottinghamshire, East Midlands
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Originally Posted by: Jerry P  Thanks. I had a feeling that my low guess might have had something to do with it....! No it wasn’t! It’s because GW’s got a thick head from trawling pubs and can’t think straight! Strictly for research purposes though!  |
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