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Summer 2019 - Moaning (and Gloating) Thread
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Originally Posted by: lanky  I think that is a perception of the weather pattern rather than a measurable phenomenon. Doubtless it is possible to get a short run of "unlucky" cycles where the weekends have worse weather but this is just a coincidence and over the long term it all averages out. If this were real there would be a known long term 7 day cycle with quantifiable data and a cause. The thing with the so-called 'weekend curse' is we simply notice more when poor weather coincides with the weekend. After a fine week on Friday evening cloud starts spilling in heralding a wet Saturday - Typical, you think to yourself, just in time for the weekend! But nobody notices this happening on a Tuesday night before a wet Wednesday. It would be interesting for me to have a look at my own records to see if the weekend weather really is any worse on average than during the week and hopefully disprove the weekend curse, well for my area at least. I don't think you'll ever convince Richard though! |
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Joined: 28/10/2008(UTC) Posts: 23,912   Location: Market Warsop, Nottinghamshire, East Midlands
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The weekend curse is a valid point when it comes to human perception, which is more about the amount of usable weather we get in our free time! It hasn’t really applied to me as I work short hours in the summer and have had time to enjoy many weekdays in the garden this year hence, it’s been a good summer for me. Which is probably why human experience can be at odds with stats. On the other hand, stats don’t change once they’ve been recorded, whereas memory is unreliable. When I were a lass, summers were sunnier and winters were snowier! Actually, they weren’t but I remember the odd special occasion when the weather sticks in my mind and that clouds my judgement. The most extreme weather has been during my adult life, not my childhood. In June 2007, the local river flooded for the first time in my life. We had the heaviest and longest lasting snow in 2010, although I experienced the sixties winters. Summer 2018 was one of the best, although I experienced 1976 and 1959. July 25th 2019 broke temperature records here and this summer will go down in my memory as a very good one because there were so many usable days. |
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Joined: 17/03/2012(UTC) Posts: 29,942 Location: Irlam
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Manchester Summer Indices 1954 143 1907 147 1956 155 1912 156 1924 158 2012 164 2008 168 1987 169 1946 170 1909 171 1931 173 1978 173 1980 173 1920 174 1923 174 2007 174 1927 175 1948 176 1938 177 1922 178 2011 179 1985 180 1958 184 1972 185 1916 188 1986 189 1965 189 2016 189 1910 190 1936 190 1988 191 2010 191 1966 192 1998 192 2017 192 2019 192 (up to 16th August) 1953 193 1963 194 1993 194 2009 194 1902 195 1915 196 1981 196 1928 197 1962 197 1964 197 2004 197 1952 198 2000 198 1930 199 1974 199 1979 199 |
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Joined: 09/05/2006(UTC) Posts: 5,650   Location: Blackford in south Edinburgh
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And it's raining yet again here in Wharfedale. Although we get some sunshine, usually afternoons, I don't think we've had a sunny start to a day this month and only 2 dry days out of 17!! Rainfall totals around these parts are now over 150mm. August is fast becoming my least favourite month! |
Jerry Clappersgate, Ambleside, Lake District.
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Originally Posted by: lanky  I think that is a perception of the weather pattern rather than a measurable phenomenon. Doubtless it is possible to get a short run of "unlucky" cycles where the weekends have worse weather but this is just a coincidence and over the long term it all averages out. If this were real there would be a known long term 7 day cycle with quantifiable data and a cause. No it's not just perception. It is a measured fact that the summer weekends see worse weather than weekdays. Only two years since 2007 - 2015 and 2017 - have seen sunnier weekend weather than weekdays and in several of the summers the difference has been considerable. Here are my records from 2007: Year, Weekday sun, Weekend sun, overall sun 2007 | 4.30 | 2.63 | 3.83 | 2008 | 4.79 | 4.04 | 4.57 | 2009 | 5.73 | 4.87 | 5.49 | 2010 | 4.93 | 4.52 | 4.82 | 2011 | 4.78 | 3.93 | 4.54 | 2012 | 3.41 | 3.31 | 3.38 | 2013 | 6.26 | 6.11 | 6.22 | 2014 | 5.72 | 4.76 | 5.44 | 2015 | 5.22 | 5.44 | 5.28 | 2016 | 4.83 | 4.53 | 4.74 | 2017 | 4.72 | 5.70 | 5.00 | 2018 | 6.95 | 5.94 | 6.66 | 2019 | 5.90 | 5.03 | 5.63 |
It doesn't average out over time as there has been an 11% difference in daily sunshine average between weekend and weekday over the 13 year period (5.18 v 4.68). More than backs up my frequent complaints about having to sit in a stifling office when it's sunny outside only to wake up to grim overcast come the weekend. Not so much of a difference with rainfall. As for today, after a promising start it's turned to crap again and I just got soaked by a shower. No 'Weekend Curse' this month as it's just dreadful all the time. 11 days in a row of this now  |
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Joined: 14/07/2012(UTC) Posts: 30,212  Location: Peasedown St John. N.E. Sommerset
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I don't like this Moaning and gloating thread. thread. Haven't had much chance to do any mooning with all the rain of late. |
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A lovely day on the Lizard Pilot Gig rowing. Early cloud gave way to blue sky and the cove at Cadgwith was sheltered from the fresh breeze. What a change a day makes. |
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Joined: 13/06/2016(UTC) Posts: 8,657   Location: The NW of Edinburgh
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Originally Posted by: ARTzeman  I don't like this Moaning and gloating thread. thread. Haven't had much chance to do any mooning with all the rain of late. Well, it won't be long now before it will be time to start the autumn moaning thread (I see that Netweather have already started their autumn moaning thread, having done so back in July). Once that it comes to that time, that would probably just be a moaning thread as I would expect there to be too many reasons for gloating there. |
The north of Edinburgh, usually always missing out on snow events which occur not just within the rest of Scotland or the UK, but also within the rest of Edinburgh. |
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Joined: 03/09/2006(UTC) Posts: 9,191  Location: Dover
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Another very useable day today. Dry thus far. and August to date - Mean max - 22.4 overall mean 18.2 (+0.5c) Sunshine (poor) 100hrs Rain - 38mm |
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Joined: 05/04/2006(UTC) Posts: 55,417  Location: St Helens
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Nice day, with only a few spots of rain this morning. Even managed a BBQ tonight. |
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Joined: 17/03/2012(UTC) Posts: 29,942 Location: Irlam
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17th July-16th August 2019: provisionally 201mm for the region. This wet spell all started on the 17th July How does that compare to 31 day calendar months for the region? Wettest January on record: 227.8mm in 1928 Wettest March on record: 178.3 mm in 1981 Wettest May on record: 141.2mm in 1924 Wettest July on record: 171.1mm in 1988 Wettest August on record: 238.4mm in 1956 Wettest October on record: 233.7 mm in 1967 Wettest December on record: 271.6mm in 2015 So that period is up there amongst the wettest spells ever recorded during summer. |
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Joined: 17/03/2012(UTC) Posts: 29,942 Location: Irlam
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Manchester Summer Indices
1954 143 1907 147 1956 155 1912 156 1924 158 2012 164 2008 168 1987 169 1946 170 1909 171 1931 173 1978 173 1980 173 1920 174 1923 174 2007 174 1927 175 1948 176 1938 177 1922 178 2011 179 1985 180 1958 184 1972 185 1916 188 1986 189 1965 189 2016 189 1910 190 1936 190 1988 191 2010 191 2019 191 (up to 19th August) 1966 192 1998 192 2017 192 1953 193 1963 194 1993 194 2009 194 1902 195 1915 196 1981 196 1928 197 1962 197 1964 197 2004 197 1952 198 2000 198 1930 199 1974 199 1979 199 |
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Joined: 10/04/2006(UTC) Posts: 7,259 Location: Aberdeen
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This has to be up there with the most stupefyingly boring and non-descript months of all time. It's utterly dire - nothing of interest is happening and it's not at all pleasant. It's just day after day of cloudy skies, moderate temperatures and nuisance value rain. It's not reached 22C, there's been one night below 8C, no day has recorded 12 hours of sun and there has been just 38.6mm rain but only four completely dry days. The 'blandification' of the climate intensifies  |
Aberdeen: The only place that misses out on everything
2022 - The Latest Year of Horror Seasonless 21st Century Tripe
19th - 25th January 2022: 41.6 hours sunshine 19th - 25th July 2022: 24.6 hours sunshine
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Joined: 06/11/2010(UTC) Posts: 7,026  Location: Leeds
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Not been that bad here really over the past week - a couple of days were washouts but the rest were decent with only a few showers and sunny spells with temperatures of 19-20C which is a bit below average but could be worse. Rainfall is sitting at around 43-44mm here, which isn’t bad at all when the LTA for August here is 58mm. This month should finish comfortably warmer than average based on the current warm output. Not dissimilar to last August really but probably cloudier. Even warm summer months in recent years have tended to be rather cloudy. Edited by user 20 August 2019 20:19:27(UTC)
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Whitkirk, Leeds - 85m ASL. |
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Joined: 23/07/2013(UTC) Posts: 292 Location: Lowton, nr Warrington
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Just had our daily cloud burst. It's become part of the summer really. No matter what the forecast is for the day, there will always be at least one spell of rain
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Joined: 03/09/2006(UTC) Posts: 9,191  Location: Dover
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Latest from Manston for August thus far... 18.0 mean, (+0.2) average max 22.3, 46mm of rain, sunshine disappointing at 127 hours. So far then, slightly warmer and drier than average but a dearth of sunshine, though the next 10 days may alter that stat in particular. |
Dover, 5m asl. Half a mile from the south coast. |
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Joined: 07/10/2016(UTC) Posts: 175   Location: Gloucestershire
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Our Local station reporting about 90mm of rain and 100 hours of sunshine so far, I really don't see how the CET justifies itself at least for our area,, because of late below than average temps. I have next week booked off, so wonder how long this settled spell will last..........
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A level 2 heatwave alert is in place for East of England and South East England - London is not part of the warning where they remain on level 1 Current watch level: Level 2 - Alert and Readiness Issued at: 09:26 on Wed 21 Aug 2019 There is a 70 % probability of heat health criteria being met between 1800 on Saturday and 0900 on Tuesday in parts of England. High pressure will start to build over the south of England, allowing temperatures to gradually rise into the weekend, with the warmest temperatures in the south and east of England. Maximum temperatures on Saturday are likely to be near the threshold, but then a warm night is expected on Saturday night, with temperatures reaching thresholds from Saturday evening and onwards into the Bank Holiday weekend. An update will be issued when the alert level changes in any region. Alerts are issued once a day by 0900 if required and are not subject to amendment in between standard issue times. Note that the details of the forecast weather are valid at the time of issue but may change over the period that an alert remains in force. These details will not be updated here unless the alert level also changes, the latest forecast details can be obtained at the following link: http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/public/weather/forecast/#?tab=map https://www.metoffice.gov.uk/public/weather/heat-health/#?tab=heatHealth
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Wettest summer for the region, provisionally, since 2012. |
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Joined: 25/06/2011(UTC) Posts: 30,125  
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Updated heatwave warning Level 3
Level 2 - South East England
- East Midlands
- Yorkshire and the Humber
Level 1 - No heatwave warning - London
- Southwest England
- West Midlands
- Northwest England
- Northeast England
Current watch level: Level 3 - Heatwave Action Issued at: 08:55 on Fri 23 Aug 2019 There is a 90 % probability of heat health criteria being met between 0900 on Saturday and 0900 on Monday in parts of England. High pressure will build across England, bringing very warm or hot conditions to many parts of the country during Saturday and Sunday. Highest temperatures look to be across the eastern England, with western parts turning less hot Sunday. Into Monday, fresher air is now expected to gradually move eastwards across the country, although it will remain very warm for some eastern parts. An update will be issued when the alert level changes in any region. Alerts are issued once a day by 0900 if required and are not subject to amendment in between standard issue times. Note that the details of the forecast weather are valid at the time of issue but may change over the period that an alert remains in force. These details will not be updated here unless the alert level also changes, the latest forecast details can be obtained at the following link: http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/public/weather/forecast/#?tab=map https://www.metoffice.gov.uk/public/weather/heat-health/#?tab=heatHealth
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