picturesareme
23 April 2019 12:55:09

Is there an accessible site where one can get information on individual date records for the UK. Records such as min & max temps? 


I can't seem to find anything. 

Bolty
23 April 2019 12:56:11

http://www.torro.org.uk/hightempsyear.php


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picturesareme
23 April 2019 13:10:47

Originally Posted by: Bolty 


http://www.torro.org.uk/hightempsyear.php



Thank you Bolty  👍😊

Hungry Tiger
23 April 2019 13:34:12

Originally Posted by: Bolty 


http://www.torro.org.uk/hightempsyear.php



with what we had this February - It needs updating.


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picturesareme
23 April 2019 13:37:55

Originally Posted by: Hungry Tiger 


 


with what we had this February - It needs updating.



It needs updating for at least one record last  year.


Onthe 19th April 2018 -  29.1C was reached.

Essan
23 April 2019 13:48:48

Originally Posted by: picturesareme 


Is there an accessible site where one can get information on individual date records for the UK. Records such as min & max temps? 


I can't seem to find anything. 




http://www.ukweatherworld.co.uk/forum/index.php?/topic/86682-daily-maxima-and-minima-records-for-each-month/


This is regularly updated


Andy
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picturesareme
23 April 2019 13:58:22

Originally Posted by: Essan 




http://www.ukweatherworld.co.uk/forum/index.php?/topic/86682-daily-maxima-and-minima-records-for-each-month/


This is regularly updated



Excellent thank you essan  😊👍

lanky
09 May 2019 08:20:49

Looking at the 2 references above it looks as though there are a few issues associated with these lists


They show different date records for the same date in some instances


One of them is several years out of date


One of them does not show locations


I wondered how difficult is would be to generate an up to date list with all locations present and with all the differences resolved


And the answer is that it is difficult


The primary source of data on the internet on which all the lists seem to be based seems to be this research by Webb and Meaden from September 2000


https://rmets.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/pdf/10.1002/j.1477-8696.2000.tb04084.x


This itself is an update of previous work in 1984 and 1997 (not found on the internet) which seems to be a painstaking analysis of many disparate sources of digital and paper based data going back to the 19th century. Without a huge amount of endeavour these results cannot be checked easily and IMO should be taken at face value by and large


Other sources of useful information not mentioned in this thread so far are the daily Met Office Weather Logs dating back to the 19th century which give extremes for every day and much other synoptic information


https://digital.nmla.metoffice.gov.uk/collection_86058de1-8d55-4bc5-8305-5698d0bd7e13/


The Met Office monthly reports from 2000 available by Googling (e.g. Met Office September 2002)


and the British Isles Weather Diary from 2000 e.g.


http://www.met.rdg.ac.uk/~brugge/diary2008.html


The Met Office also list the Date records by month for the UK (tab 2)


https://www.metoffice.gov.uk/public/weather/climate-extremes/#?tab=climateExtremes?WT.mc_id=Twitter_Weatherdesk_Enquiries


Having noted the contents of these reports and references I have attempted to produce a consolidated up-to-date list showing all locations in full


I have marked a small number in red where the date record is at variance with the above references although I suspect these may be due to very local weather conditions in that area (e.g. Foehn Effect) as they are included in the Webb and Meaden Analysis


The only genuine issue is the record for 29th March which the Met Office gives as Mepal (Cambs) at 25.6C in 1968 - which the Met Office also cite as the March overall record for the UK but no one else even mentions


 


Martin
Richmond, Surrey
Bertwhistle
14 May 2019 21:21:27

Originally Posted by: lanky 


Looking at the 2 references above it looks as though there are a few issues associated with these lists


They show different date records for the same date in some instances


One of them is several years out of date


One of them does not show locations


I wondered how difficult is would be to generate an up to date list with all locations present and with all the differences resolved


And the answer is that it is difficult


The primary source of data on the internet on which all the lists seem to be based seems to be this research by Webb and Meaden from September 2000


https://rmets.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/pdf/10.1002/j.1477-8696.2000.tb04084.x


This itself is an update of previous work in 1984 and 1997 (not found on the internet) which seems to be a painstaking analysis of many disparate sources of digital and paper based data going back to the 19th century. Without a huge amount of endeavour these results cannot be checked easily and IMO should be taken at face value by and large


Other sources of useful information not mentioned in this thread so far are the daily Met Office Weather Logs dating back to the 19th century which give extremes for every day and much other synoptic information


https://digital.nmla.metoffice.gov.uk/collection_86058de1-8d55-4bc5-8305-5698d0bd7e13/


The Met Office monthly reports from 2000 available by Googling (e.g. Met Office September 2002)


and the British Isles Weather Diary from 2000 e.g.


http://www.met.rdg.ac.uk/~brugge/diary2008.html


The Met Office also list the Date records by month for the UK (tab 2)


https://www.metoffice.gov.uk/public/weather/climate-extremes/#?tab=climateExtremes?WT.mc_id=Twitter_Weatherdesk_Enquiries


Having noted the contents of these reports and references I have attempted to produce a consolidated up-to-date list showing all locations in full


I have marked a small number in red where the date record is at variance with the above references although I suspect these may be due to very local weather conditions in that area (e.g. Foehn Effect) as they are included in the Webb and Meaden Analysis


The only genuine issue is the record for 29th March which the Met Office gives as Mepal (Cambs) at 25.6C in 1968 - which the Met Office also cite as the March overall record for the UK but no one else even mentions


Here is my own data FWIW


https://1drv.ms/x/s!Albek-Z8QJdeg0RxMFkF1pYjue2v


 



Would like someone to check the date record for 6th May- think Southampton might share it with Cheltenham (28.6). 


Bertie, Itchen Valley.
'We'll never see 40 celsius in this country'.
Sharp Green Fox
14 May 2019 21:45:14

Originally Posted by: lanky 


Looking at the 2 references above it looks as though there are a few issues associated with these lists


They show different date records for the same date in some instances


One of them is several years out of date


One of them does not show locations


I wondered how difficult is would be to generate an up to date list with all locations present and with all the differences resolved


And the answer is that it is difficult


The primary source of data on the internet on which all the lists seem to be based seems to be this research by Webb and Meaden from September 2000


https://rmets.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/pdf/10.1002/j.1477-8696.2000.tb04084.x


This itself is an update of previous work in 1984 and 1997 (not found on the internet) which seems to be a painstaking analysis of many disparate sources of digital and paper based data going back to the 19th century. Without a huge amount of endeavour these results cannot be checked easily and IMO should be taken at face value by and large


Other sources of useful information not mentioned in this thread so far are the daily Met Office Weather Logs dating back to the 19th century which give extremes for every day and much other synoptic information


https://digital.nmla.metoffice.gov.uk/collection_86058de1-8d55-4bc5-8305-5698d0bd7e13/


The Met Office monthly reports from 2000 available by Googling (e.g. Met Office September 2002)


and the British Isles Weather Diary from 2000 e.g.


http://www.met.rdg.ac.uk/~brugge/diary2008.html


The Met Office also list the Date records by month for the UK (tab 2)


https://www.metoffice.gov.uk/public/weather/climate-extremes/#?tab=climateExtremes?WT.mc_id=Twitter_Weatherdesk_Enquiries


Having noted the contents of these reports and references I have attempted to produce a consolidated up-to-date list showing all locations in full


I have marked a small number in red where the date record is at variance with the above references although I suspect these may be due to very local weather conditions in that area (e.g. Foehn Effect) as they are included in the Webb and Meaden Analysis


The only genuine issue is the record for 29th March which the Met Office gives as Mepal (Cambs) at 25.6C in 1968 - which the Met Office also cite as the March overall record for the UK but no one else even mentions


Here is my own data FWIW


https://1drv.ms/x/s!Albek-Z8QJdeg0RxMFkF1pYjue2v


 



 


This is excellent, and the Metoffice records confirm my memory of past weather events.  Thank You Lanky

lanky
15 May 2019 08:48:10

Originally Posted by: Bertwhistle 


 


Would like someone to check the date record for 6th May- think Southampton might share it with Cheltenham (28.6). 



Hi Bert


The daily Met office record for 6 may 1995 (I assume you meant in the same year) shows it as 27.9C



From the Met Office daily weather logs


https://digital.nmla.metoffice.gov.uk/collection_86058de1-8d55-4bc5-8305-5698d0bd7e13/


I think what has happened is that prior to the last few years, the MetO "extremes" were published the next day so only stations which reported daily got included. I have noticed that the recent extremes (check 2019) wait till after month-end to report so capturing those stations that report less frequently


 


 


Martin
Richmond, Surrey
Bertwhistle
15 May 2019 18:11:11

Originally Posted by: lanky 


 


Hi Bert


The daily Met office record for 6 may 1995 (I assume you meant in the same year) shows it as 27.9C



From the Met Office daily weather logs


https://digital.nmla.metoffice.gov.uk/collection_86058de1-8d55-4bc5-8305-5698d0bd7e13/


I think what has happened is that prior to the last few years, the MetO "extremes" were published the next day so only stations which reported daily got included. I have noticed that the recent extremes (check 2019) wait till after month-end to report so capturing those stations that report less frequently


 



Cheers Lanky- there were actually two recording stations in Southampton at the time- the Weather Centre roof in Southampton, which was primarily an automatic data capture, and the manually-read one in Mayflower Park. The latter was dismantled a while later than this time but  accounts for some of Southampton's high temperatures in the past- including 28th June 1976. I'm proud to say I was permitted to take some of the readings from the caged Stevenson Screen in July 1990.


Not sure where this data would be archived but I do have a written A3 record of 6.5.95 from the Weather Centre, of Mayflower Park's readings; it clearly shows 28.6C. I'm interested to know why this has been discounted from the record. Any thoughts? I appreciate you may not know the location well, but you might know what happens to stations that 'switch over'.


The Weather Centre closed a while later (to my unending regret) and the 'official' Southampton readings then seemed to vary between a buoy in Southampton Water, Southampton Airport and an obscure high rise in Southampton centre.


Bertie, Itchen Valley.
'We'll never see 40 celsius in this country'.
15 May 2019 22:11:40

Originally Posted by: lanky 


Looking at the 2 references above it looks as though there are a few issues associated with these lists


They show different date records for the same date in some instances


One of them is several years out of date


One of them does not show locations


I wondered how difficult is would be to generate an up to date list with all locations present and with all the differences resolved


And the answer is that it is difficult


The primary source of data on the internet on which all the lists seem to be based seems to be this research by Webb and Meaden from September 2000


https://rmets.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/pdf/10.1002/j.1477-8696.2000.tb04084.x


This itself is an update of previous work in 1984 and 1997 (not found on the internet) which seems to be a painstaking analysis of many disparate sources of digital and paper based data going back to the 19th century. Without a huge amount of endeavour these results cannot be checked easily and IMO should be taken at face value by and large


Other sources of useful information not mentioned in this thread so far are the daily Met Office Weather Logs dating back to the 19th century which give extremes for every day and much other synoptic information


https://digital.nmla.metoffice.gov.uk/collection_86058de1-8d55-4bc5-8305-5698d0bd7e13/


The Met Office monthly reports from 2000 available by Googling (e.g. Met Office September 2002)


and the British Isles Weather Diary from 2000 e.g.


http://www.met.rdg.ac.uk/~brugge/diary2008.html


The Met Office also list the Date records by month for the UK (tab 2)


https://www.metoffice.gov.uk/public/weather/climate-extremes/#?tab=climateExtremes?WT.mc_id=Twitter_Weatherdesk_Enquiries


Having noted the contents of these reports and references I have attempted to produce a consolidated up-to-date list showing all locations in full


I have marked a small number in red where the date record is at variance with the above references although I suspect these may be due to very local weather conditions in that area (e.g. Foehn Effect) as they are included in the Webb and Meaden Analysis


The only genuine issue is the record for 29th March which the Met Office gives as Mepal (Cambs) at 25.6C in 1968 - which the Met Office also cite as the March overall record for the UK but no one else even mentions


Here is my own data FWIW


https://1drv.ms/x/s!Albek-Z8QJdeg0RxMFkF1pYjue2v


 



Well done Martin. I compiled my own list of maximum temperatures a few years back which I keep updated. I have a few differences in my table to yours which I have listed below.


 


1 January - my understanding is that the official record is 15.6C set in Bude in 1916. I got this from a Met Office Facebook post which I don't think exists any longer but it is quoted in this article from the Independent https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/uk-weather-warmest-new-years-day-in-99-years-while-daring-swimmers-take-dips-in-the-sea-9952879.html


22 February 2019 - 18.6C Colwyn Bay from the Met Office Daily Weather Summary


14 April - I don't think this Southampton reading is correct as I am not aware there were any official weather stations in Southampton in 2007. I think this figure is from the Southampton University Oceanography Centre which is not an official station as far as I am aware, albeit it does have a station reference number. So not entirely sure about this one.


22 June - the Torro figure for this date from 2017 is clearly wrong. However, the original figure shown by the Torro article in Weather magazine in 2000 has Camden Square at 34.3C in 1941 ahead of the Tottenham figure.


5 August - the maximum shown in the monthly weather summary (on the Met Office Website) for 2003 is 35.0C at Jersey Rocquaine


15 October -  22.9C Gogerddan 2017 (per daily weather summary)


29 October - 19.8C Lacock 2014 (per DWS)


9 November - the Thornes Park reading should be 18.6C per DWS


10 November - 20.0C 2015 Tregarth (DWS)


28 November - the Abergwyngregyn figure is actually 18.0C if you look at the Torro site carefully not 17.0C


6 December - 16.5C 2007 Longtown (Met Office monthly summary)


16 December - The forum at COL Weather gives 17.4C at Llanfairfechan on the 16th in 2015. Not sure why this is not being recognised when the reading on 7th in the same month is recognised. Presumably there is a reason.


26 December - 16.1C Banff 2011 (Met Office monthly summary)

lanky
16 May 2019 16:21:55

Originally Posted by: Global Warming 


 


Well done Martin. I compiled my own list of maximum temperatures a few years back which I keep updated. I have a few differences in my table to yours which I have listed below.


 


1 January - my understanding is that the official record is 15.6C set in Bude in 1916. I got this from a Met Office Facebook post which I don't think exists any longer but it is quoted in this article from the Independent https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/uk-weather-warmest-new-years-day-in-99-years-while-daring-swimmers-take-dips-in-the-sea-9952879.html


22 February 2019 - 18.6C Colwyn Bay from the Met Office Daily Weather Summary


14 April - I don't think this Southampton reading is correct as I am not aware there were any official weather stations in Southampton in 2007. I think this figure is from the Southampton University Oceanography Centre which is not an official station as far as I am aware, albeit it does have a station reference number. So not entirely sure about this one.


22 June - the Torro figure for this date from 2017 is clearly wrong. However, the original figure shown by the Torro article in Weather magazine in 2000 has Camden Square at 34.3C in 1941 ahead of the Tottenham figure.


5 August - the maximum shown in the monthly weather summary (on the Met Office Website) for 2003 is 35.0C at Jersey Rocquaine


15 October -  22.9C Gogerddan 2017 (per daily weather summary)


29 October - 19.8C Lacock 2014 (per DWS)


9 November - the Thornes Park reading should be 18.6C per DWS


10 November - 20.0C 2015 Tregarth (DWS)


28 November - the Abergwyngregyn figure is actually 18.0C if you look at the Torro site carefully not 17.0C


6 December - 16.5C 2007 Longtown (Met Office monthly summary)


16 December - The forum at COL Weather gives 17.4C at Llanfairfechan on the 16th in 2015. Not sure why this is not being recognised when the reading on 7th in the same month is recognised. Presumably there is a reason.


26 December - 16.1C Banff 2011 (Met Office monthly summary)



Hi GW


Thanks for having a look at my attempt at a date record spreadsheet and for pointing out these mismatches


I updated my online spreadsheet with the differences you identified in 10 of the 13 you listed. It is a lot easier to go and check a new record when given the date to look up than to try and find the records from scratch amongst all the data without a lead to go on


The 3 I am still querying are the boldened ones above


14 Apr - The Brugge/Reading Uni site gives Southampton 25.7C as the date record and there is also a You Tube video for that date entitled 25.7C at Southampton (although this is not actully mentioned in the video itself)


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JCDXJNcbjcc


22 Jun - Torro now seem to have removed Camden Square and I have found a link claiming all the data from that site is suspect


https://www.netweather.tv/forum/topic/63239-camden-square/


16 Dec - I couldn't find any mention of the Llanfairfechan reading on that date so I left the original in place


All the others were as you said


This is the link to my listing


https://1drv.ms/x/s!Albek-Z8QJdeg0RxMFkF1pYjue2v


 


 


 


Martin
Richmond, Surrey
27 May 2019 08:52:26

Looking at the three you have queried:


22 Jun - the reason Torro has removed Camden Square on this date is that they have replaced it with an erroneous higher reading from Heathrow. They have kept all the other Camden Square readings, including on the 21st. We have to be consistent I think. Either Camden Square is in or it is out. But that has to apply to all dates. I am keeping Camden Square in my records for now.


16 Dec - the Llanfairfechan reading for the 7th of 17.5C is quoted in this linked Weather article: https://rmets.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1002/wea.2800. The following link gives the readings for Llanfairfechan in the surrounding days which includes the reading of 17.4C on the 16th: http://www.colweather.org.uk/notes/viewtopic.php?t=11. For consistency if we are accepting one of the figures we have to accept both surely. Llanfairfechan is not a Met Office site as far as I know but is a COL Grade A site and so is recognised as official I think (in the same way that Stephen Burt's site at Stratfield Mortimer is). 


14 April - I can't find any definitive evidence for this one but I think the site that recorded this figure is the Oceanography Centre - hourly readings can be found at this link - http://www.weathercast.co.uk/world-weather/weather-stations/obsid/99079.html. The site does at least have an official designation but is never listed in the official daily data. So I have never been entirely sure whether the figures count although I can't see any reason why they shouldn't (there was a similar situation with a site that was set up in the London Olympic stadium in Stratford). There are no other weather stations in Southampton and have not been since the site at the weather centre closed several years ago. The airport is a METAR site only. Given the 25.7C is widely quoted I think we can accept it as official.

lanky
27 May 2019 21:31:59

Originally Posted by: Global Warming 


Looking at the three you have queried:


22 Jun - the reason Torro has removed Camden Square on this date is that they have replaced it with an erroneous higher reading from Heathrow. They have kept all the other Camden Square readings, including on the 21st. We have to be consistent I think. Either Camden Square is in or it is out. But that has to apply to all dates. I am keeping Camden Square in my records for now.


16 Dec - the Llanfairfechan reading for the 7th of 17.5C is quoted in this linked Weather article: https://rmets.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1002/wea.2800. The following link gives the readings for Llanfairfechan in the surrounding days which includes the reading of 17.4C on the 16th: http://www.colweather.org.uk/notes/viewtopic.php?t=11. For consistency if we are accepting one of the figures we have to accept both surely. Llanfairfechan is not a Met Office site as far as I know but is a COL Grade A site and so is recognised as official I think (in the same way that Stephen Burt's site at Stratfield Mortimer is). 


14 April - I can't find any definitive evidence for this one but I think the site that recorded this figure is the Oceanography Centre - hourly readings can be found at this link - http://www.weathercast.co.uk/world-weather/weather-stations/obsid/99079.html. The site does at least have an official designation but is never listed in the official daily data. So I have never been entirely sure whether the figures count although I can't see any reason why they shouldn't (there was a similar situation with a site that was set up in the London Olympic stadium in Stratford). There are no other weather stations in Southampton and have not been since the site at the weather centre closed several years ago. The airport is a METAR site only. Given the 25.7C is widely quoted I think we can accept it as official.



Hello GW


Thanks for that feedback


I amended my list to replace the 16 Dec entry with your reference to the 17.4C at Llanfairfechan in 2015 following the reference you provided


I also replaced the 22 June 1941 entry with Camden Square at 34.3C as you suggested. If you look at the Torro Reference in this thread (Bolty's post at #2 above) although the Heathrow entry is in error, underneath that they also show the 33.9C entry I had before but not the Camden Square one. However I take your point that if you discount this then for consistency all data from that site should be discounted (and they hold several other date records).


Also I found its entry in a different section of the MetO daily logs for 22/06/1941 which I missed before as it is in a London Readings area



I have left the third query for Southampton on 14 April 2007 as is - I gather you are reasonably OK with it now


revised list :-


https://1drv.ms/x/s!Albek-Z8QJdeg0RxMFkF1pYjue2v


 


Martin
Richmond, Surrey
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