ARTzeman
12 October 2017 11:47:30

Hadley does not reply to emails that I send..... 






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redmoons
12 October 2017 14:41:21

I got a reply about Hadley from the met office twitter account to say they were looking into it. Its getting annoying that they cant update it.

If you all are on twitter you can add your frustration to this https://twitter.com/metoffice/with_replies

Hope that helps.


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Stormchaser
12 October 2017 19:20:28

Still a lot of guesswork for the starting observed-to-date figures, but the GFS 06z was certainly extraordinary in bringing an extended run of day temps widely hitting the mid-high teens to follow the several days getting into the 20s this coming Sat-Mon.


The CET anomaly first peaks on 19th at somewhere between +2.1 and +2.5*C. The actual is between 13.5 and 14.0*C at this point.


Then, after the briefest of slides, it edges relentlessly further upward all the way out to 26th, at which point the anomaly is between +2.5 and +3.0*C with the actual value very similar to that on 19th; the mean holds fairly steady but the long-term average drops down, hence the anomaly increasing.


So I'd guess that this run would lead to a final month-mean CET near to 13.5*C. How would that stand in the record books I wonder?


 


The 12z GFS produces very similar CET estimates out to 20th but then a more mobile regime introduces some wedges of cooler air at times, with the Euro High having a go at fighting back for a time 22nd-24th but then being swept aside by Atlantic troughs, with the main ridge shifting to the mid-Atlantic and then building up to Greenland to set up a genuine cold spell for the turn of the month (when extrapolating forward from the run's end; some assumptions made there regarding disturbances in the flow remaining unobstructive).


Even though the CET for 21st-27th is just under 10*C and so a lot cooler than before that time, this is only able to drag the CET down to between 12.5 and 13.0*C as of 27th, and with the LTA dropping away too, the anomaly is still pretty mighty at between +1.5 and +2.0*C. Even with a particularly cold last four days, the CET would struggle to fall much below 12.0*C, with the anomaly likely staying above +1.0*C.


SO... it would seem likely that this coming warm spell plus the suggestions of further very mild or quite warm conditions at least for part of the Tue-Sun period next week are making a notably mild October CET very likely indeed. Preventing that will take a cold spell - with lows near freezing and highs struggling to make double digits - setting in for at least a week prior to month's end.


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12 October 2017 19:30:25

So basically unless Oct 1997 is replicated my guess is completely screwed. I remember that year going from 25c highs to seeing ponds frozen over from hard frosts within the space of about a week in the second half of the month!

ARTzeman
13 October 2017 11:25:07

Metcheck                    12.83c.      Anomaly     2.32c.


Netweather                 13.5c.        Anomaly     2.76c.          


Peasedown St John      13.4c.        Anomaly      2.8c.






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Bertwhistle
13 October 2017 16:31:38

Might be worth checking up on statutory obligations of a public body- the RMS is not that; but the MetOffice is. So who is responsible for publishing the CET?


At this point, if I were the Head of a public office, I would be concerned about the longer term consequences of not meeting those requirements- and yet, there may be none. Certainly a freedom of information request form would be an option, since the 1998 DP Act and 2000 FOI Act must cover this somewhere.


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'We'll never see 40 celsius in this country'.
Bertwhistle
14 October 2017 06:35:21

I looked in the CET record


https://www.metoffice.gov.uk/hadobs/hadcet/data/download.html


and clicked the first option


https://www.metoffice.gov.uk/hadobs/hadcet/cetdl1772on.dat


and the data is all de-formatted by the looks of it; all the columns out of line. Unreadable. Something misaligned about Had at the moment.


Bertie, Itchen Valley.
'We'll never see 40 celsius in this country'.
14 October 2017 09:16:43

Originally Posted by: Bertwhistle 


I looked in the CET record


https://www.metoffice.gov.uk/hadobs/hadcet/data/download.html


and clicked the first option


https://www.metoffice.gov.uk/hadobs/hadcet/cetdl1772on.dat


and the data is all de-formatted by the looks of it; all the columns out of line. Unreadable. Something misaligned about Had at the moment.



I am not having any problems reading the data. All looks to be as normal.

Gavin P
14 October 2017 10:27:13

Originally Posted by: Global Warming 


 


I am not having any problems reading the data. All looks to be as normal.



Hi GW, what Browser are you using?


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14 October 2017 10:40:29

Originally Posted by: Gavin P 


 


Hi GW, what Browser are you using?



Hi Gavin. I am using the latest version of Safari on both an iPad and iMac

14 October 2017 10:45:46

In light of the continuing lack of data from Hadley I have also written to the Met Office to enquire as to what is going on.


I went directly to the contact on the Hadley website, Tim Legg. I got an out of office saying he is away until 19 October. So we may have to wait a while for any updates. That said if that is the reason it is somewhat unacceptable. Surely they can / should provide coverage by somebody else when the main person is away, whether for holiday or any other reason.


Seeing as I was writing I also took the opportunity to ask when the upgrade to the Hadley data that is published will be made available. The response to a previous FOI request that someone made indicated that the data would be overhauled in mid 2017 and they would then publish all the details including the raw data by station as well as the various adjustments that they make to the raw data. No sign of this happening as yet. Copy of the FOI response linked below (see response number 11):


https://wattsupwiththat.files.wordpress.com/2017/01/0052166-barr.pdf


 

ARTzeman
14 October 2017 11:19:14

Glad you are getting some response on your inquiry  GW. May have something to work on come Friday.. Lets hope so. 


 


Metcheck                      13.14c.      Anomaly    2.63c.


Netweather                   13.41c.      Anomaly    3.02c.


Peasedown St John      13.6c.     Anomaly       3.0c.     






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Bertwhistle
14 October 2017 11:43:56

Originally Posted by: Global Warming 


 


I am not having any problems reading the data. All looks to be as normal.



It's fine now here GW; must have been a temporary thing but it was wild. Wish I'd taken a screen shot.


Bertie, Itchen Valley.
'We'll never see 40 celsius in this country'.
Hungry Tiger
14 October 2017 14:07:03

Well done to all those who've contacted or attempted to contact what is happening with Hadley's figures.


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Hungry Tiger
14 October 2017 14:07:31

Originally Posted by: Global Warming 


In light of the continuing lack of data from Hadley I have also written to the Met Office to enquire as to what is going on.


I went directly to the contact on the Hadley website, Tim Legg. I got an out of office saying he is away until 19 October. So we may have to wait a while for any updates. That said if that is the reason it is somewhat unacceptable. Surely they can / should provide coverage by somebody else when the main person is away, whether for holiday or any other reason.


Seeing as I was writing I also took the opportunity to ask when the upgrade to the Hadley data that is published will be made available. The response to a previous FOI request that someone made indicated that the data would be overhauled in mid 2017 and they would then publish all the details including the raw data by station as well as the various adjustments that they make to the raw data. No sign of this happening as yet. Copy of the FOI response linked below (see response number 11):


https://wattsupwiththat.files.wordpress.com/2017/01/0052166-barr.pdf


 



Thanks Simon.


 


Gavin S. FRmetS.
TWO Moderator.
Contact the TWO team - [email protected]
South Cambridgeshire. 93 metres or 302.25 feet ASL.


redmoons
14 October 2017 23:43:14

Originally Posted by: Global Warming 


In light of the continuing lack of data from Hadley I have also written to the Met Office to enquire as to what is going on.


I went directly to the contact on the Hadley website, Tim Legg. I got an out of office saying he is away until 19 October. So we may have to wait a while for any updates. That said if that is the reason it is somewhat unacceptable. Surely they can / should provide coverage by somebody else when the main person is away, whether for holiday or any other reason.


Seeing as I was writing I also took the opportunity to ask when the upgrade to the Hadley data that is published will be made available. The response to a previous FOI request that someone made indicated that the data would be overhauled in mid 2017 and they would then publish all the details including the raw data by station as well as the various adjustments that they make to the raw data. No sign of this happening as yet. Copy of the FOI response linked below (see response number 11):


https://wattsupwiththat.files.wordpress.com/2017/01/0052166-barr.pdf


 



Cheers for this, the person I have been in contact is in the PR department. As like you I find it unacceptable that the data is not updated for this length of time. 


Andrew,
Watford
ASL 35m
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ARTzeman
15 October 2017 11:08:32

Metcheck                      13.29c.           Anomaly        2.78c.


Netweather                   13.65c.           Anomaly        3.26c.


Peasedown St John     13.8c.             Anomaly        3.2c.






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Bertwhistle
15 October 2017 14:09:26

Originally Posted by: ARTzeman 


Metcheck                      13.29c.           Anomaly        2.78c.


Netweather                   13.65c.           Anomaly        3.26c.


Peasedown St John     13.8c.             Anomaly        3.2c.



Art- can we estimate a CET based on the readings above?


Bertie, Itchen Valley.
'We'll never see 40 celsius in this country'.
ARTzeman
15 October 2017 15:07:59

Recon it works out to 13.4c. But that will drop off after Friday onward.  






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ARTzeman
15 October 2017 20:40:27

I checked out with Kilmersdon Weather and Gibby confirmed his was 13.2c. So my 13.4  was not too far out. 






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