David M Porter
07 February 2014 09:42:18

Originally Posted by: Maunder Minimum 


Originally Posted by: Gooner 


The output shows little sign of any let up to the rain rain rain


 


woeful



Fear not, a pattern change is coming. Two more weeks of this woeful weather and things will settle down to a colder and drier interlude.


What do I base this on? Not the models, which have not picked up on the change yet, but on a gut feeling - so I am sticking my neck out and calling it colder and drier from around 20th February onwards. That is the usual pattern for a winter dominated by zonality.


 



If there is SSW going on at the moment, as I have been given to understand from comments made by some recently, I believe that the effects of this can take up to 2-3 weeks to start feeding down into the troposhere. Therefore, the earliest we should maybe expect to see any notable changes in the model runs for the back end of February could be a week or so from now, when the end of Feb/ start of March period will begin to appear in the GFS FI section.


Lenzie, Glasgow

"Let us not take ourselves too seriously. None of us has a monopoly on wisdom, and we must always be ready to listen and respect other points of view."- Queen Elizabeth II 1926-2022
Gooner
07 February 2014 09:42:45

Originally Posted by: David M Porter 


Does anyone know why the GFS runs on WZ haven't updated since the 00Z yesterday morning? The ECM and UKMO runs have updated in the usual way, but not GFS.



They have for me


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rtavn541.gif


Remember anything after T120 is really Just For Fun



Marcus
Banbury
North Oxfordshire
378 feet A S L


tallyho_83
07 February 2014 10:04:37

Originally Posted by: Gooner 


Originally Posted by: David M Porter 


Does anyone know why the GFS runs on WZ haven't updated since the 00Z yesterday morning? The ECM and UKMO runs have updated in the usual way, but not GFS.



They have for me


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rtavn541.gif



Yes this was what I was wondering - look:


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rtavn063.png


 


Home Location - Kellands Lane, Okehampton, Devon (200m ASL)
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Charmhills
07 February 2014 10:06:32

Originally Posted by: Sevendust 


The output remain grim today - Several major lows expected to hit the UK in the next fortnight



Yes the Atlantic is king Dave for sometime to come.


Loughborough, EM.

Knowledge is power, ignorance is weakness.

Duane.
Hungry Tiger
07 February 2014 10:11:03

Originally Posted by: GIBBY 


Good morning. Here is the report on the 12 midnight outputs from GFS, UKMO, GEM, NAVGEM and ECM for today Friday February 7th 2014 and lifted from my website at http://www.norton-radstockweather.co.uk/Model-Analysis(2859336).htm


All models show a deep depression moving in from the SW during tonight replacing the embers of the current one leaving the East. as a result a quieter day with scattered showers will occur today ahead of strong winds and rain arriving after dark. By tomorrow the Low pressure will move slowly NE across Ireland to Southern Scotland with severe gales and squally showers of rain and hail with thunder, sleet and snow locally, the latter mostly over the hills. This weather type will last through Saturday with just a limited reduction on Sunday as the Low drifts slowly North and begins to fill. By Monday a less windy and showery day seems likely with some longer drier interludes between the showers, still wintry on hills. On Tuesday it looks like another Atlantic storm system will be pushing in from the West with a band of heavy rain and strong winds sweeping East once more.


GFS shows the midweek period as unsettled and sometimes wet and windy as further Low pressure areas or troughs steam across from the West, a process which continues repeatedly through the entire remainder of the run. Temperatures will remain close to average or maybe a little below in the North with some snow possible over northern hills at times as a result.


The GFS Ensembles remain largely unchanged from previous samples with a very flat pattern from most members hugging the 30yr mean line with further spells of rain and showers on a Atlantic windflow. There is something of a reduction in rain quantities very late in the run.


UKMO this morning shows next Thursday with one low exiting the NE of Britain while another approaches the West with a squally shower mix early in the day probably followed by a drier interlude before further rain and gales push in from the West later in the day.


GEM shows little change in the grand scheme of things with Low pressure well in charge over and around the UK with further showers and longer spells of rain and strong winds at times in generally average temperatures overall.


NAVGEM today remains alarmist for those looking for anxiously needed relief from flooded areas as further intense depressions could run into the UK late next week enhancing the high rainfall totals of late with strong winds too.


ECM is little better with another vicious Low next Wednesday near Southern England threatening storm force winds and more definitely heavy rain across Southern britain to be followed more heavy rain and blustery westerly winds out to the end of the run.


The ECM 9 and 10 Day Mean Charts show little overall change with Low pressure still likely to be close to the North in 10 Days time with a Westerly flow with rain at times for all.


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Reem2161.gif
http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Reem2401.gif


The Jet Stream Forecast shows no change this morning with the weakening shown of yesterday less apparent today with the flow continuing to pump East across the Atlantic and over Southern Europe throughout the run maintaining the breeding ground for further Low pressure areas to run into the UK from the west through the period.


In Summary I have to say that the current spell of this extremely volatile weather pattern which has been going since December 12th is unprecedented with absolutely no definitive sign of improvements shown within the next two weeks from this morning's output. There is total cross model support for a continuation of often wet and windy weather with copious rainfall and damaging gales in the next week. There may be some moderation in wind strengths through week 2 but rainfall looks set to continue on with further disruption which I fear could cause total devastation over the SW part of my County should this morning's charts verify. None of the above is surprising when on my little patch alone over 450mm of rain has fallen this Winter so far. We need some dry weather soon or parts of the SW of the UK are going to become a disaster area with major infrastructure consequences and life threatening lifestyle changes.



Cheers Martin. On reading the synoptic charts - I am not surprised - My part of the country has now caught up with the rain and I can well imagine that if the west country gets another lot of what we had last week - I can see a state of emergency being declared at some point.


 


Gavin S. FRmetS.
TWO Moderator.
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South Cambridgeshire. 93 metres or 302.25 feet ASL.


Polar Low
07 February 2014 10:37:09

Thanks Martin


My local store has already run out of soup, bread and milk this morning  How do my chickens and pigs cope  many humans are not sensable at all!!


Originally Posted by: GIBBY 


Good morning. Here is the report on the 12 midnight outputs from GFS, UKMO, GEM, NAVGEM and ECM for today Friday February 7th 2014 and lifted from my website at http://www.norton-radstockweather.co.uk/Model-Analysis(2859336).htm


All models show a deep depression moving in from the SW during tonight replacing the embers of the current one leaving the East. as a result a quieter day with scattered showers will occur today ahead of strong winds and rain arriving after dark. By tomorrow the Low pressure will move slowly NE across Ireland to Southern Scotland with severe gales and squally showers of rain and hail with thunder, sleet and snow locally, the latter mostly over the hills. This weather type will last through Saturday with just a limited reduction on Sunday as the Low drifts slowly North and begins to fill. By Monday a less windy and showery day seems likely with some longer drier interludes between the showers, still wintry on hills. On Tuesday it looks like another Atlantic storm system will be pushing in from the West with a band of heavy rain and strong winds sweeping East once more.


GFS shows the midweek period as unsettled and sometimes wet and windy as further Low pressure areas or troughs steam across from the West, a process which continues repeatedly through the entire remainder of the run. Temperatures will remain close to average or maybe a little below in the North with some snow possible over northern hills at times as a result.


The GFS Ensembles remain largely unchanged from previous samples with a very flat pattern from most members hugging the 30yr mean line with further spells of rain and showers on a Atlantic windflow. There is something of a reduction in rain quantities very late in the run.


UKMO this morning shows next Thursday with one low exiting the NE of Britain while another approaches the West with a squally shower mix early in the day probably followed by a drier interlude before further rain and gales push in from the West later in the day.


GEM shows little change in the grand scheme of things with Low pressure well in charge over and around the UK with further showers and longer spells of rain and strong winds at times in generally average temperatures overall.


NAVGEM today remains alarmist for those looking for anxiously needed relief from flooded areas as further intense depressions could run into the UK late next week enhancing the high rainfall totals of late with strong winds too.


ECM is little better with another vicious Low next Wednesday near Southern England threatening storm force winds and more definitely heavy rain across Southern britain to be followed more heavy rain and blustery westerly winds out to the end of the run.


The ECM 9 and 10 Day Mean Charts show little overall change with Low pressure still likely to be close to the North in 10 Days time with a Westerly flow with rain at times for all.


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Reem2161.gif
http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Reem2401.gif


The Jet Stream Forecast shows no change this morning with the weakening shown of yesterday less apparent today with the flow continuing to pump East across the Atlantic and over Southern Europe throughout the run maintaining the breeding ground for further Low pressure areas to run into the UK from the west through the period.


In Summary I have to say that the current spell of this extremely volatile weather pattern which has been going since December 12th is unprecedented with absolutely no definitive sign of improvements shown within the next two weeks from this morning's output. There is total cross model support for a continuation of often wet and windy weather with copious rainfall and damaging gales in the next week. There may be some moderation in wind strengths through week 2 but rainfall looks set to continue on with further disruption which I fear could cause total devastation over the SW part of my County should this morning's charts verify. None of the above is surprising when on my little patch alone over 450mm of rain has fallen this Winter so far. We need some dry weather soon or parts of the SW of the UK are going to become a disaster area with major infrastructure consequences and life threatening lifestyle changes.



Cheers Martin. On reading the synoptic charts - I am not surprised - My part of the country has now caught up with the rain and I can well imagine that if the west country gets another lot of what we had last week - I can see a state of emergency being declared at some point.


 


Crepuscular Ray
07 February 2014 10:50:05
Its a disaster for the SW with more to come...really feel for the people affected. Meanwhile the Highlands continue with heavy snowfalls and Edinburgh is bright and fairly dry...crazy!
Jerry
Edinburgh, in the frost hollow below Blackford Hill
Gavin P
07 February 2014 11:24:24

Originally Posted by: tallyho_83 


Originally Posted by: Gooner 


Originally Posted by: David M Porter 


Does anyone know why the GFS runs on WZ haven't updated since the 00Z yesterday morning? The ECM and UKMO runs have updated in the usual way, but not GFS.



They have for me


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rtavn541.gif



Yes this was what I was wondering - look:


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rtavn063.png


 



They've changed links, so;


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rtavn061.png


Is no longer updating.


This;


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rtavn061.gif


Is the correct link now. You'll need to update your favourites, LOL!


Also notice the charts appear to be in slightly higher resolution, so kinky isobars, etc... Should be more apparent.


Rural West Northants 120m asl
Short, medium and long range weather forecast videos @ https://www.youtube.com/user/GavsWeatherVids
Whether Idle
07 February 2014 11:36:53

Originally Posted by: Gavin P 


 so kinky in isobars



 Oh dear...


Dover, 5m asl. Half a mile from the south coast.
ARTzeman
07 February 2014 12:09:26

I See MetoGroup UK Has lows for Thursday and Friday....






Some people walk in the rain.
Others just get wet.
I Just Blow my horn or trumpet
Gavin P
07 February 2014 13:44:23

Hi all,


Here's today's video update;


JMA Friday (7/2/14)


http://www.gavsweathervids.com


No sign of anything really changing, right to the start of March on this model update!


Rural West Northants 120m asl
Short, medium and long range weather forecast videos @ https://www.youtube.com/user/GavsWeatherVids
Osprey
07 February 2014 16:14:48
http://modeles.meteociel.fr/modeles/gfs/runs/2014020712/gfs-0-132.png?12 


Nobody likes a smartass, especially another smartass...
If it ain't broke, don't fix it!
Quantum
07 February 2014 16:34:49

Might win my wager if the 12Z is anything to go by. 


Twitter: @QuantumOverlord (general), @MedicaneWatch (medicane/TC stuff)
2023/2024 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):
29/11 (-6), 30/11 (-6), 02/12 (-5), 03/12 (-5), 04/12 (-3), 16/01 (-3), 18/01 (-8), 08/02 (-5)

Total: 8 days with snow/sleet falling.

2022/2023 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

18/12 (-1), 06/03 (-6), 08/03 (-8), 09/03 (-6), 10/03 (-8), 11/03 (-5), 14/03 (-6)

Total: 7 days with snow/sleet falling.

2021/2022 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

26/11 (-5), 27/11 (-7), 28/11 (-6), 02/12 (-6), 06/01 (-5), 07/01 (-6), 06/02 (-5), 19/02 (-5), 24/02 (-7), 30/03 (-7), 31/03 (-8), 01/04 (-8)
Total: 12 days with snow/sleet falling.
Osprey
07 February 2014 16:38:48

Originally Posted by: Quantum 


Might win my wager if the 12Z is anything to go by. 



http://modeles.meteociel.fr/modeles/gfs/runs/2014020712/gfs-0-264.png?12?12 


Nobody likes a smartass, especially another smartass...
If it ain't broke, don't fix it!
Gooner
07 February 2014 16:49:44

http://modeles.meteociel.fr/modeles/gfs/runs/2014020712/gfsnh-0-348.png?12


http://modeles.meteociel.fr/modeles/gfs/runs/2014020712/gfsnh-1-372.png?12


Colder conditions towards the end of the run


 


Remember anything after T120 is really Just For Fun



Marcus
Banbury
North Oxfordshire
378 feet A S L


Osprey
07 February 2014 16:50:15

Does this look like dry weather to you?


From say the 15th - 23rd GFS http://modeles.meteociel.fr/modeles/gfs/runs/2014020712/gfs-0-264.png?12


Long way off but I'm confident


Nobody likes a smartass, especially another smartass...
If it ain't broke, don't fix it!
Osprey
07 February 2014 16:51:57

Originally Posted by: Gooner 


http://modeles.meteociel.fr/modeles/gfs/runs/2014020712/gfsnh-0-348.png?12


http://modeles.meteociel.fr/modeles/gfs/runs/2014020712/gfsnh-1-372.png?12


Colder conditions towards the end of the run


 



I'd put up with cold as long as it's dry


Nobody likes a smartass, especially another smartass...
If it ain't broke, don't fix it!
Gooner
07 February 2014 16:58:22

Originally Posted by: Osprey 


Originally Posted by: Gooner 


http://modeles.meteociel.fr/modeles/gfs/runs/2014020712/gfsnh-0-348.png?12


http://modeles.meteociel.fr/modeles/gfs/runs/2014020712/gfsnh-1-372.png?12


Colder conditions towards the end of the run


 



I'd put up with cold as long as it's dry



and white of course


Remember anything after T120 is really Just For Fun



Marcus
Banbury
North Oxfordshire
378 feet A S L


Charmhills
07 February 2014 17:13:48

http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rukm1201.gif


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rukm1441.gif


Unsettled Met/o 12z.


Loughborough, EM.

Knowledge is power, ignorance is weakness.

Duane.
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