F*** you ICC. Another nail in the coffin of test cricket. Everyone in the game knows there should be a common sense rule in the game. Bollox.

 Most disgraceful episode I've ever seen in international cricket. Today's crowd should all be given a full refund for this fiasco. 

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Sadly, this Ashes series will forever be remembered for the atrocious umpiring - that the ICC ruined the last day on a matter of pettiness simply rubs salt into the wounds of Cricket fans the world over

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CHEATING Convicts. You watching this lehmann???

They're doing what England would do in the same situation. No complaints.

Oh sod off. Since when did you do diplomacy?


F*** you ICC. Another nail in the coffin of test cricket. Everyone in the game knows there should be a common sense rule in the game. Bollox.

Oh dear Matty. Not a happy bunny...

Maybe the ICC should vary the rule when you've got floodlights available. But you've been to floodlit football and will know that floodlights don't make it perfect - and a cricket field is much larger and the ball is much smaller.

As has just been said on TMS... they should start games 30 minutes earlier.

Farce. There was nothing wrong with the rule before.

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CHEATING Convicts. You watching this lehmann???

They're doing what England would do in the same situation. No complaints.

True but bollocks at the same time.

Spectators utterly cheated out of their extortionate admission prices.

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Is a ball bowled faster in a test than a day/night match?

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remember this  - a bit dark when it finished 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZOjHxYIF7h4

CHEATING Convicts. You watching this lehmann???

They're doing what England would do in the same situation. No complaints.

Oh sod off. Since when did you do diplomacy?


F*** you ICC. Another nail in the coffin of test cricket. Everyone in the game knows there should be a common sense rule in the game. Bollox.

Oh dear Matty. Not a happy bunny...

Maybe the ICC should vary the rule when you've got floodlights available. But you've been to floodlit football and will know that floodlights don't make it perfect - and a cricket field is much larger and the ball is much smaller.

If it was getting a bit cloudy would FIFA abandon the World Cup 1 minute from the end of the match, ust as a penalty is about to be taken, and call it a draw?   That's what the ICC have done.

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The umpire saw well enough to give Bell out. These days they're so pathetic they need TV replays when batsmen are four foot out.

 

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Is a bowl bowled faster in a test than a day/night match?

They use a white ball in day/night matches. It's generally considered to be harder so possibly comes off the pitch faster. Having said that, there aren't any really fast bowlers around in any form of international cricket at the moment. The other point is the level of protection batsman now have available means they don't face the same risk of physical injury as players did until the early 1980s.

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And remember - it wasn't too dark.  It was simply as dark as it had been on a previous day when, with it not really mattering at all at the time, they went off for bad light.   Had they waited another 5 minutes on that previous occasion, so it was slightly darker when they went off, then chances are this match would have been allowed to finish.

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Is a bowl bowled faster in a test than a day/night match?

No, but they use a white ball in the shorter formats. Big difference, to be honest.

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Bad light

Poor show from the umpires especially with just 4 overs left , there must be some common sense shown, could understand if there were 20 overs left , but 4 overs

 

come on

Their job is to apply the laws and match regulations. When the Law changed and took away the ability of the players to have a say this is how weather, light and ground conditions are decided.

It has to be reasonable for fielders and batsmen. In fading light the fielders are at a disadvantage.

 

It's difficult for the ICC. There have been attempts to tweak the laws relating to Bad Light over the years, and they still havn't got it quite right yet.

Until we have all Test matches capable of being played under lights with suitable clothing and the right coloured ball, this issue of bad light and safety versus the entertainment/"paying public" issue, will never go away.

 

I would have been really galling if there had been no declarations by the Aussies, and we were set to win completely on our own merits so to speak.. but it was a bit of a contrived finish and I'd have taken a draw on Thursday night.

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Bad light

Poor show from the umpires especially with just 4 overs left , there must be some common sense shown, could understand if there were 20 overs left , but 4 overs

 

come on

Their job is to apply the laws and match regulations. When the Law changed and took away the ability of the players to have a say this is how weather, light and ground conditions are decided.

It has to be reasonable for fielders and batsmen. In fading light the fielders are at a disadvantage.

 

It's difficult for the ICC. There have been attempts to tweak the laws relating to Bad Light over the years, and they still havn't got it quite right yet.

Until we have all Test matches capable of being played under lights with suitable clothing and the right coloured ball, this issue of bad light and safety versus the entertainment/"paying public" issue, will never go away.

 

I would have been really galling if there had been no declarations by the Aussies, and we were set to win completely on our own merits so to speak.. but it was a bit of a contrived finish and I'd have taken a draw on Thursday night.

It is difficult for the ICC because they have no common sense. People pay money to watch Tests for results and as Bob Willis says, show me the coffins....

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Until we have all Test matches capable of being played under lights with suitable clothing and the right coloured ball, this issue of bad light and safety versus the entertainment/"paying public" issue, will never go away.

What is the safety issue? Facing Lillee and Thomson or West Indies pace quartet in the 70s/80s even in bright sunlight was dangerous because the protection available wasn't adequate. There is no safety issue now for batsman, even more so considering the lack of genuine pace bowlers. Sorry, but the safety issue is a complete nonsense. 

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Bad light

Poor show from the umpires especially with just 4 overs left , there must be some common sense shown, could understand if there were 20 overs left , but 4 overs

 

come on

Their job is to apply the laws and match regulations. When the Law changed and took away the ability of the players to have a say this is how weather, light and ground conditions are decided.

It has to be reasonable for fielders and batsmen. In fading light the fielders are at a disadvantage.

 

It's difficult for the ICC. There have been attempts to tweak the laws relating to Bad Light over the years, and they still havn't got it quite right yet.

Until we have all Test matches capable of being played under lights with suitable clothing and the right coloured ball, this issue of bad light and safety versus the entertainment/"paying public" issue, will never go away.

 

I would have been really galling if there had been no declarations by the Aussies, and we were set to win completely on our own merits so to speak.. but it was a bit of a contrived finish and I'd have taken a draw on Thursday night.

But the point is that 'bad light' is entirely relative - the definition in this case being the level of light at which they had gone off for bad light on a previous occasion during this Test.

Had they not gone off previously for bad light, or had gone off a few minutes later when the light level was slightly lower, then the chances are this match would have been allowed to finish.

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The batting side have to be given the deciding vote on light.
Absolutely bloody ridiculous rule and what a shame for the game.
1 - 0 to to the stuffed shirts and old school ties of the ICC. Twats.

Quite. It's not the batsmen's fault that people like Siddle aren't picking up the ball quickly enough.

The ultimate outrage would be 1 wicket left, 2 runs to win and the umpires go off for bad light and game ends.

Under current rules that would be theoretically possible.

Ridiculous.

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The decison to end the match when they did to me was even more of a farce than when they closed the roof at Wimbledon during Andy Murray's semi-final, when the daylight was still pretty good. Seems that common sense among those running top class sports these days is practically non-existent.

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Agree. And thats why the laws need looking at again.

When I said "safety issue", I mean as defined by the ICC and not what is actually dangerous these days as others have alluded to in recent posts with improvements in procective gear etc.

 

As for the series itself... we won the big moments but we are going to have to play a lot better in Aus to keep the urn. I think the pitches over there will suit Finn/Broad/Tremlett very nicely, and hopefully our batsmen will find the quicker bouncier wickets easier too.. but they need to pick their form up. A lot.

It will be a closer series down there for sure.

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All the negatives in this Ashes series boil down to the ICC, from the poor quality of umpires, when they are suppose to be elite and that the best umpires who seem to be largely Aussies and English can not officiate in this series.

Bad light was a pain in the back side in this series and now what just happened.

All down to the ICC.

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