David M Porter
16 February 2014 09:50:48

Originally Posted by: Gooner 


Originally Posted by: moomin75 


Originally Posted by: Gooner 


http://modeles.meteociel.fr/modeles/cfs/runs/2014020618/run4/cfsnh-0-624.png?18


Again CFS hints at a chilly March


http://modeles.meteociel.fr/modeles/cfs/runs/2014020618/run4/cfsnh-0-744.png?18


Most welcome


Speak for yourself Marcus. After this horrific winter, I'm sure the majority would prefer an early spring warmth.



I bet there are a few on here hoping for a late wintry spell



I think most will just want a dry spell now, and one that lasts for as long as possible, whether it is of the mild or cold type.


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Gooner
16 February 2014 10:14:40

Originally Posted by: David M Porter 


Originally Posted by: Gooner 


Originally Posted by: moomin75 


Originally Posted by: Gooner 


http://modeles.meteociel.fr/modeles/cfs/runs/2014020618/run4/cfsnh-0-624.png?18


Again CFS hints at a chilly March


http://modeles.meteociel.fr/modeles/cfs/runs/2014020618/run4/cfsnh-0-744.png?18


Most welcome


Speak for yourself Marcus. After this horrific winter, I'm sure the majority would prefer an early spring warmth.



I bet there are a few on here hoping for a late wintry spell



I think most will just want a dry spell now, and one that lasts for as long as possible, whether it is of the mild or cold type.



I agree but I am probably in the minority in the fact that a wintry spell is wanted


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Matty H
17 February 2014 00:42:37
Did anyone's long range forecast rubbish accurately forecast the winter we've had?
Snow Hoper
17 February 2014 05:40:06

Yes Matty


 



 


Originally Posted by: Snow Hoper 


Originally Posted by: Snow Hoper 


I reckon we'll be in for a mild, wet and windy winter with limited cold especially across the south



 


So far, so good.



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soperman
18 February 2014 10:43:26

Can we replace this thread with 2014 Spring Prospects please?

Jonesy
19 February 2014 00:37:49
Originally Posted by: soperman 

Can we replace this thread with 2014 Spring Prospects please?



No point, Spring will be Winter just like Winter was Autumn 😃 then Summer will be spring...Confusing I agree :-D

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nouska
20 February 2014 01:13:54

As winter draws to a close, a remarkable illustration of our horrible winter in this sea level presure composite anomaly of the last two months.


roger63
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28 February 2014 07:08:44

Now Winter is over who got it right.?


CFS I think called it right showing postive anomalies over Europe pretty consistently.


Was there any forecasting organisation that got it right?


It was a trickyone to forecast.No really strong indicator and conflicting signals.I initailly went for milder than average and then Like METO switched to beow average at the end of November


 

richardabdn
28 February 2014 19:36:37

I don't think anyone could have reasonably been expected to forecast the winter to have been as bad as it turned out.


Months with the lowest mean pressure in Aberdeen since 1866:


Feb 2014: 986.0mb
Feb 1990: 990.1mb
Nov 2000: 992.2mb
Dec 1929: 993.2mb
Jan 1948: 993.3mb
Dec 1868: 993.6mb
Mar 1876: 993.6mb
Jan 2014: 994.3mb
Jan 1936: 994.4mb
Feb 1910: 994.6mb
Nov 1877: 994.9mb


Seasons with the lowest mean pressure since 1866:


Winter 2013/14: 993.9mb
Winter 1914/15: 997.5mb
Winter 1909/10: 999.3mb
Winter 1989/90: 999.8mb
Autumn 2000 : 1000.4mb
Winter 1935/36: 1000.6mb
Winter 1876/77: 1001.0mb
Winter 1994/95: 1001.3mb
Winter 1950/51: 1001.7mb
Autumn 1923 : 1001.9mb


Really puts this hateful season in context. To break records by that margin after 150 years is incredible, especially given that high pressure dominated in the first half of December. Just 989mb average for 18th Dec to 28th Feb. It didn't reach 1020mb after 11th December and didn't even reach 1010mb after 12th January.


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2023 - The Year that's Constantly Worse than a Bad November
Medlock Vale Weather
02 March 2014 01:07:30

Originally Posted by: roger63 


Now Winter is over who got it right.?


CFS I think called it right showing postive anomalies over Europe pretty consistently.


Was there any forecasting organisation that got it right?


It was a trickyone to forecast.No really strong indicator and conflicting signals.I initailly went for milder than average and then Like METO switched to beow average at the end of November


 



If I recall the CMA (Chinese meteorological administration) were going for a much wetter than normal Winter for western Europe.


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Snowjoke
02 March 2014 20:44:18

Winter 2013-14.........Surely the worst winter ever, if not the worst winter during the lifetime of TWO!!

Quantum
05 March 2014 23:43:23

OK 2nd review! 


"I do a personal yearly forecast every year (at least I have for the last 5 years). I've never published before though, thought I might here anyway see if it holds up.


2014


January


Milder than average especially at first and very unsettled, a chance of cold snowy periods later.


CET above normal


February


Potentially coldest month of the winter, some snow showers likely in S and E. Unlikely to be overly cold or prolonged though.


CET below normal


March


Settled, dry, rather chilly. Some late frosts and even wintry showers. Sunshine prevalent


CET below normal


April


Showery. Slightly below average temperatures. Some settled spells


CET slightly below average


May


 Extremely dry and sunny. Chilly winds at first, although very warm weather possible later. Perhaps an early heatwave.


CET around average


June


Very dry theme continuing. Some rather cool sea breezes making temps chilly at times. Somewhat below average temperatures.


CET slightly below average


July


Another dry month especially in the east. However it will be warmer than june with a few thundery outbreaks possible


CET above average


August


The dry run ends with august. Changeable, sometimes very wet or showery but still often mild.


CET slightly above average


September


Dry, rather warm and perhaps thundery. 'Indian summer'.


CET much above average


October


Probably a little drier than average


CET around average


November


Drier than average theme perhaps continuing. Average temps, becoming chilly.


CET slightly below average


December


Changable. Mix of short cold wintry spells and warmer mild spells.


CET around average.


 


I put quite a lot of work into these every year (despite them looking so short). Although only people I know have got to see them before. Its based on a bit of pattern matching and long range models mostly. I don't expect it to be that accurate; mostly just for fun. "


 


While I think I did well for January, February has been a bit of a failure (though I would note that it was substantially better than some long range forecasts!*) It was not the coldest month of the winter (not the warmest either but hardly a consolation), there were some snow showers in the S and E; at least more than January (80% of the snow I have seen since November fell in february but again really not saying much). And given that I predicted a below average CET the only part that was right was the admission that any cold spell would be unlikely to be severe or long lasting! So a complete failure of a month, but then you can't get them all. I hope to do better for march.  


 


*To be clear I am not talking about the metoffice (or TWO) . I think their LRF were actually pretty good especially the one issued end of December. 


 


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2023/2024 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):
29/11 (-6), 30/11 (-6), 02/12 (-5), 03/12 (-5), 04/12 (-3), 16/01 (-3), 18/01 (-8), 08/02 (-5)

Total: 8 days with snow/sleet falling.

2022/2023 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

18/12 (-1), 06/03 (-6), 08/03 (-8), 09/03 (-6), 10/03 (-8), 11/03 (-5), 14/03 (-6)

Total: 7 days with snow/sleet falling.

2021/2022 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

26/11 (-5), 27/11 (-7), 28/11 (-6), 02/12 (-6), 06/01 (-5), 07/01 (-6), 06/02 (-5), 19/02 (-5), 24/02 (-7), 30/03 (-7), 31/03 (-8), 01/04 (-8)
Total: 12 days with snow/sleet falling.
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