Stormchaser
10 August 2013 19:08:45

http://cdn.nwstatic.co.uk/ecmimages/20130810/12/ecmt850.240.png


This is much more in line with what GFS has been suggesting lately; height rises to the E and NE occuring via a ridge through the UK from the SW.


The difference to the previous run is staggeringly large, and it seems to be down to the energy phasing upstream, which produces a stronger trough further west on the 12z run compared to the 00z run. This acts to tilt the jet more SW to NE, which is how we initiated the fine spell in July. This time, the Atlantic looks more energetic, so something so prolonged isn't looking likely as things currently stand.


I wonder if we'll continue to see yo-yo behaviour from the runs tomorrow. To be honest I've had enough of it for now!


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GIBBY
10 August 2013 19:58:56

Good evening. Here is the report on the midday outputs from GFS, UKMO, GEM, NAVGEM and ECM for today Saturday August 10th 2013.


All models show a very similar evolution through the coming week. Over the next few days a cool NW flow will follow a complex frontal feature East across the UK tonight accompanied by some showery outbreaks of rain. Thereafter there will be three days of a cool NW breeze with sunshine and scattered showers, these chiefly in the North where temperatures will feel a little subdued but OK values should still be achieved towards the SE. On Wednesday a warm front will move NE across the UK introducing more humid conditions with a spell of rain, light and patchy in the South but more appreciable in the NW. On Thursday brighter weather will come through in the South and East where it could become very warm and humid for a time. On Friday a spell of showery and perhaps thundery rain will cross the UK and be followed by another cooler phase with sunshine and showers.


GFS then shows a more changeable period with rain at times in a blustery Westerly wind and average temperatures. Later in the week High pressure transfers NE across the UK with fine and warm weather developing for a time before a trough crosses East with cooler conditions again. A North/South split then develops for a time with rain at times in the NW while the South and East become warm and dry with sunny spells and quite humid conditions. Pressure rises in the NW at the end of the run with pressure falling to the SE with some thundery showers down here while the North and West has a turn at warmer and drier weather.


The GFS Ensembles are definitely showing a trend upwards again from the middle of the run in the South. There is little rain shown for the South over the coming few weeks whatever the temperature as High pressure is never far away. In the North the trend is for average uppers delivering some dry and brighter spells but a greater chance of rain at times than areas further South.


The Jet Stream forecast is obviously undecided longer term tonight as instead of removing the UK based flow that's a definite in the next week it shows the flow staying South of the British Isles later though rather weak in strength. More runs needed showing a definite trend over subsequent runs are needed before one can be sure of a pattern reset.


UKMO tonight shows a SW flow at the end of the week strongest in the NW where the incidence of showers will be greatest in average temperatures. Southern and Eastern areas look like staying rather drier with fewer showers and temperatures on the higher side of normal at times.


GEM tonight continues to feed a more unsettled period of weather for all areas next weekend and the following week with rain at times in fresh Westerly breezes and average temperatures.


NAVGEM shows a much more benign pattern continuing towards the end of it's run with the South seeing a good share of dry and bright weather while Northern areas will remain with some rain at times though even here some fine spells are possible in average temperatures.


ECM shows High pressure transferring across the UK at the start of the second week with some very warm weather over the South before the odd thundery shower moves in from the SW by midweek across the SW. Eastern areas will stay dry and fine with fairly high temperatures for some time beyond midweek. 


In Summary it's South is best again tonight with nowhere South of the Midlands seeing any appreciable rainfall for some considerable time to come. That's not to say there will be wall to wall sunshine and high temperatures across the UK but instead a spell of fine and reasonably warm conditions for the vast majority of the time in the South while the North remain more at risk from Atlantic depressions and troughs delivering some rain at times but also some fine interludes too.


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Andy Woodcock
10 August 2013 22:31:15
Hmmm, things might be OK down south but here in the north the weather is now in Autumnal mode with temps below average and little sunshine. Today the max was 17.5c (average 19.5c) with just 1 hour of sun, I know the south is better but up here summer has taken a break. Andy
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10 August 2013 22:32:19
Originally Posted by: Andy Woodcock 

Hmmm, things mY be OK doen south but here in the north the weather is now in Autumnal mode with temps below average and liiule sunshine. Today the max was 17.5c (average 19.5c) with just 1 hour of sun, know the south is better but up here summer has taken a bresk. Andy



Too many Saturday night drinks, Andy? 😂
Andy Woodcock
10 August 2013 22:36:29
Originally Posted by: Matty H 

Originally Posted by: Andy Woodcock 

Hmmm, things mY be OK doen south but here in the north the weather is now in Autumnal mode with temps below average and liiule sunshine. Today the max was 17.5c (average 19.5c) with just 1 hour of sun, know the south is better but up here summer has taken a bresk. Andy



Too many Saturday night drinks, Andy? 😂



Its trying to post on the bloody iphone Matty!
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10 August 2013 23:47:17
Originally Posted by: Andy Woodcock 

Originally Posted by: Matty H 

Originally Posted by: Andy Woodcock 

Hmmm, things mY be OK doen south but here in the north the weather is now in Autumnal mode with temps below average and liiule sunshine. Today the max was 17.5c (average 19.5c) with just 1 hour of sun, know the south is better but up here summer has taken a bresk. Andy



Too many Saturday night drinks, Andy? 😂



Its trying to post on the bloody iphone Matty!



I sympathise 😉
Osprey
11 August 2013 06:20:15
http://modeles.meteociel.fr/modeles/gfs/runs/2013081100/gfs-0-372.png?0 


So far...


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GIBBY
11 August 2013 07:49:58

Good morning. Here is the report of the midnight outputs from GFS, UKMO, GEM, NAVGEM and ECM for today Sunday August 11th 2013. On Sunday mornings or evenings from now on I will give an even more comprehensive guide to the weather events shown by the models over the coming two weeks with a more detailed summarisation from me at the end of the report. Here is this weeks version.


All models show a similar pattern to carry us through the first week of the output. A showery NW flow will cover the UK for the next three days leading us up to midweek with most of the showers focused towards the North and later the East of the UK. Southern and Western parts will see few if any significant showers with the best of the sunny intervals closest to High pressure to the SW. Temperatures will be close to average in the SE but it may feel a little cool in the North. At the middle of the week a warm front follows a ridge across the UK with warmer and more humid weather following a band of light rain NE over the UK. This sets up a couple of warm and humid days on Wednesday and Thursday when it could become very warm in the SE in good sunny spells. By Friday a cold front will be moving East over Britain returning fresher air to most with a zone of potentially thundery showers in the SE ahead of the weakening front.


GFS then takes us into next weekend with further rain on a trough spilling NE across the North but very little of this reaches the South with a decent and fine weekend here. Some further thundery rain could move NE across the SE as another warm plume lies just the other side of the channel. A ridge builds elsewhere with warm and humid weather predominating for much of the rest of the week before a new Low brings fresher Atlantic winds across all areas briefly towards the weekend with a distinctive warm surge at the end of the run as High pressure builds across the North on its way to Scandinavia though some thundery showers could affect the SW.


The GFS Ensembles are looking OK this morning with the majority of members showing something warmer than average over the next few weeks. The operational was a warm outlier at times but it is not in isolation with some other members also showing something warm at times. Rainfall amounts are small in the South with even the North only showing average rainfall at times at most.


The Jet Stream today is predicted to continue it's Eastward motion across the UK this week before becoming more disorganized and disorientated in the second week with no definitive pattern shown.


UKMO today is setting the UK up for a wet and windy spell next weekend as Low pressure spins in from the West with a spell of wind and rain for all at some point through Saturday and Sunday no doubt followed by sunshine and showers. What happens beyond that we are not privvy to see but the weekend at least will feel cool and blustery if these synoptics evolve.


GEM this morning also shows Low pressure to the North though less evasive than UKMO. It would mean a spell of breezy and changeable weather with a spell of rain crossing East in a brisk Westerly flow followed by showers in the North. Towards the end of the run things settle down from the SW as High pressure moves slowly NE towards the UK from the SW with a cool NW flow ahead of it.


NAVGEM shows even less influence from Low pressure crossing East to the North next weekend with Southern areas staying largely dry and bright while the North sees associated wind and rain before things brighten up by Sunday with sun and showers.


ECM finally shows a breezy spell next weekend and into the following week as the same depression crosses east to the North. There would be a period of rain for all followed by suns and showers in the north. Pressure rises across the South and by the end of the run in 10 days the weather would be turning warm and humid again across the South with some very warm sunshine away from dull and drizzly western coasts and hills.


In Summary today the first week looks more or less set in stone now with some changeable conditions to be had but the majority of the time spent dry and bright, especially towards the SE where it looks like becoming very warm for a time later in the week. There does appear to be a general consensus of opinion that a spell of windy and wet weather is possible next weekend as Low pressure passes close too or over the North giving cool and blustery winds but there are then signs that an improvement to something more akin to Summer returns as High pressure is hinted at returning across our shores in one shape or form through Week 2 with GFS, GEM and ECM leaning towards this evolution. Whatever happens it remains to look like the weather will continue to be very reasonable for at least a lot of the time over the next few weeks which should keep holidaymakers, farmers and growers quite happy as there doesn't look like any long lasting hindrances to outdoor activities with temperatures very reasonable for the most part.


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Osprey
11 August 2013 07:58:45

Quote "In Summary today the first week looks more or less set in stone now with some changeable conditions to be had but the majority of the time spent dry and bright, especially towards the SE where it looks like becoming very warm for a time later in the week. There does appear to be a general consensus of opinion that a spell of windy and wet weather is possible next weekend as Low pressure passes close too or over the North giving cool and blustery winds but there are then signs that an improvement to something more akin to Summer returns as High pressure is hinted at returning across our shores in one shape or form through Week 2 with GFS, GEM and ECM leaning towards this evolution. Whatever happens it remains to look like the weather will continue to be very reasonable for at least a lot of the time over the next few weeks which should keep holidaymakers, farmers and growers quite happy as there doesn't look like any long lasting hindrances to outdoor activities with temperatures very reasonable for the most part."


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Crepuscular Ray
11 August 2013 08:20:40
Thanks Martin...you indulge us!
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Stormchaser
11 August 2013 10:03:15

Very nice trends continuing from yesterday's 12z runs; the trough doesn't race across the Atlantic so quickly, and this allows energy to pile up into a more powerful system further upstream from us. This then pulls the jet north from the UK, and as the trough slowly fills, the natural progression sees a ridge building from the SW


It's a double-win really, as the original faster trough travelled further along the more W-E jet path before turning it NE, meaning that it impacted the UK in a bigger way itself and also placed us into an unfavourable jet pattern for the days following on.




The correction away from that is a big reason to breath a sigh of relief, then


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Charmhills
11 August 2013 10:11:02

Originally Posted by: Stormchaser 


Very nice trends continuing from yesterday's 12z runs; the trough doesn't race across the Atlantic so quickly, and this allows energy to pile up into a more powerful system further upstream from us. This then pulls the jet north from the UK, and as the trough slowly fills, the natural progression sees a ridge building from the SW


It's a double-win really, as the original faster trough travelled further along the more W-E jet path before turning it NE, meaning that it impacted the UK in a bigger way itself and also placed us into an unfavourable jet pattern for the days following on.




The correction away from that is a big reason to breath a sigh of relief, then



In other words boring.


No late heatwaves or storms!


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nickl
11 August 2013 10:15:27

Originally Posted by: Charmhills 


In other words boring.


No late heatwaves or storms!



not sure about that duane. if the week 2 anolmoly to our east does establish itself, then there are plenty of options for temps to rise with possible southerly thundery drift ensuing thereafter.


last third of august currently looks like being very decent indeed.

Osprey
11 August 2013 10:41:10

Originally Posted by: Stormchaser 


Very nice trends continuing from yesterday's 12z runs; the trough doesn't race across the Atlantic so quickly, and this allows energy to pile up into a more powerful system further upstream from us. This then pulls the jet north from the UK, and as the trough slowly fills, the natural progression sees a ridge building from the SW


It's a double-win really, as the original faster trough travelled further along the more W-E jet path before turning it NE, meaning that it impacted the UK in a bigger way itself and also placed us into an unfavourable jet pattern for the days following on.




The correction away from that is a big reason to breath a sigh of relief, then



Understandable and nicely put


So far (Well for us down this way) not a bad summer


(As I always liked it to be, not too hot, rain in the night and dry in the day...


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Nick Gilly
11 August 2013 10:48:02

Originally Posted by: nickl 


Originally Posted by: Charmhills 


In other words boring.


No late heatwaves or storms!



not sure about that duane. if the week 2 anolmoly to our east does establish itself, then there are plenty of options for temps to rise with possible southerly thundery drift ensuing thereafter.


last third of august currently looks like being very decent indeed.



 


I hope so as I have a couple of days off work either side of the Bank Holiday.

Charmhills
11 August 2013 10:52:12

Originally Posted by: nickl 


Originally Posted by: Charmhills 


In other words boring.


No late heatwaves or storms!



not sure about that duane. if the week 2 anolmoly to our east does establish itself, then there are plenty of options for temps to rise with possible southerly thundery drift ensuing thereafter.


last third of august currently looks like being very decent indeed.



One last decent plume would be nice to see out the summer before the onset of Autumn proper.


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Hungry Tiger
11 August 2013 11:28:50

Originally Posted by: Charmhills 


Originally Posted by: nickl 


Originally Posted by: Charmhills 


In other words boring.


No late heatwaves or storms!



not sure about that duane. if the week 2 anolmoly to our east does establish itself, then there are plenty of options for temps to rise with possible southerly thundery drift ensuing thereafter.


last third of august currently looks like being very decent indeed.



One last decent plume would be nice to see out the summer before the onset of Autumn proper.




 


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Hungry Tiger
11 August 2013 11:31:18

Originally Posted by: Stormchaser 


Very nice trends continuing from yesterday's 12z runs; the trough doesn't race across the Atlantic so quickly, and this allows energy to pile up into a more powerful system further upstream from us. This then pulls the jet north from the UK, and as the trough slowly fills, the natural progression sees a ridge building from the SW


It's a double-win really, as the original faster trough travelled further along the more W-E jet path before turning it NE, meaning that it impacted the UK in a bigger way itself and also placed us into an unfavourable jet pattern for the days following on.




The correction away from that is a big reason to breath a sigh of relief, then



Thanks for your excellent descriptions there James.


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Ally Pally Snowman
11 August 2013 12:58:25

Warm up looks very much on the cards and staying dry as well.


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Stormchaser
11 August 2013 13:11:37

Thanks Osprey and HT


I have seen the signs of change to something more settled and potentially notably warm for a number of days now, but they were uncertain until yesterday evening.


Now we're really getting somewhere with the outlook - the day 10 NAEFS mean anomaly is promising:


http://176.31.229.228/modeles/gens/naefs/run/naefsnh-0-0-240.png?12


...and that evolves nicely through the rest of the run:


http://176.31.229.228/modeles/gens/naefs/run/naefsnh-0-0-348.png?12



The spreads reveal that a number of runs take a powerful Atlantic trough and use it to break through the ridging, bringing an unsettled spell 23rd-26th August, but then it appears that those runs tend to build HP back across the UK, with the jet heading well north of us


Given that 23rd-26th August is some way into FI, such details are not worth worrying about too much


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