Surrey John
20 December 2021 15:00:13
The Baltic has had a pause in icing for about a week, it colder weather has now moved back in.

The SST and ice chart is here

https://www.smhi.se/oceanografi/istjanst/produkter/sstcolor.pdf 

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Surrey John
31 December 2021 21:08:50
The current milder weather in UK doesn’t seem to be affecting northern Baltic, where whole of Finland coast is now ice

https://www.smhi.se/oceanografi/istjanst/produkter/sstcolor.pdf 


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DEW
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31 December 2021 21:30:56

Originally Posted by: Surrey John 

The current milder weather in UK doesn’t seem to be affecting northern Baltic, where whole of Finland coast is now ice

https://www.smhi.se/oceanografi/istjanst/produkter/sstcolor.pdf


Scandinavia has had consistently below average temp for at least two months - a classic winte there, obviously


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Quantum
03 January 2022 11:03:38

Well its happened, a little later than I thought but we are out of the top 15 (JAXA) for the first time in god knows how long.


17th as of yesterday.


Have genuinely no idea the last time this happened, we probably have to go back more than 10 years.


 


Edit: Now 18th after a near century gain!!!!


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2023/2024 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):
29/11 (-6), 30/11 (-6), 02/12 (-5), 03/12 (-5), 04/12 (-3), 16/01 (-3), 18/01 (-8), 08/02 (-5)

Total: 8 days with snow/sleet falling.

2022/2023 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

18/12 (-1), 06/03 (-6), 08/03 (-8), 09/03 (-6), 10/03 (-8), 11/03 (-5), 14/03 (-6)

Total: 7 days with snow/sleet falling.

2021/2022 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

26/11 (-5), 27/11 (-7), 28/11 (-6), 02/12 (-6), 06/01 (-5), 07/01 (-6), 06/02 (-5), 19/02 (-5), 24/02 (-7), 30/03 (-7), 31/03 (-8), 01/04 (-8)
Total: 12 days with snow/sleet falling.
Quantum
03 January 2022 11:08:06

The thing that is even more nuts is that you have to go back to 2004 to find a year with extent higher than it is now.


I guess, what's our loss is the arctic's gain!


 


 


Twitter: @QuantumOverlord (general), @MedicaneWatch (medicane/TC stuff)
2023/2024 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):
29/11 (-6), 30/11 (-6), 02/12 (-5), 03/12 (-5), 04/12 (-3), 16/01 (-3), 18/01 (-8), 08/02 (-5)

Total: 8 days with snow/sleet falling.

2022/2023 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

18/12 (-1), 06/03 (-6), 08/03 (-8), 09/03 (-6), 10/03 (-8), 11/03 (-5), 14/03 (-6)

Total: 7 days with snow/sleet falling.

2021/2022 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

26/11 (-5), 27/11 (-7), 28/11 (-6), 02/12 (-6), 06/01 (-5), 07/01 (-6), 06/02 (-5), 19/02 (-5), 24/02 (-7), 30/03 (-7), 31/03 (-8), 01/04 (-8)
Total: 12 days with snow/sleet falling.
polarwind
03 January 2022 11:52:33

Originally Posted by: Quantum 


Well its happened, a little later than I thought but we are out of the top 15 (JAXA) for the first time in god knows how long.


17th as of yesterday.


Have genuinely no idea the last time this happened, we probably have to go back more than 10 years.


 


Edit: Now 18th after a near century gain!!!!


Do you have any thoughts as to why this big? increase of ice cover has happened?


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Quantum
03 January 2022 12:59:26

Originally Posted by: polarwind 


Do you have any thoughts as to why this big? increase of ice cover has happened?



I think its because we have had a positive AO but without any 'plume' events or huge storms bringing warm temps/rain. So the arctic has been largelly cold and clear with less snow than would be expected (good for growth). Lower latitudes have been alot warmer than expected, which kept it in the top 15 with a record late hudson freeze up. However eventually hudson was always going to freeze, and that pushed us out.


 


Lower latitude warmth may have the opposite effect though as we go deeper into winter. Not much more room for growth now in the high arctic, so warm temps at lower latitudes could cause a significant stall.


 


Twitter: @QuantumOverlord (general), @MedicaneWatch (medicane/TC stuff)
2023/2024 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):
29/11 (-6), 30/11 (-6), 02/12 (-5), 03/12 (-5), 04/12 (-3), 16/01 (-3), 18/01 (-8), 08/02 (-5)

Total: 8 days with snow/sleet falling.

2022/2023 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

18/12 (-1), 06/03 (-6), 08/03 (-8), 09/03 (-6), 10/03 (-8), 11/03 (-5), 14/03 (-6)

Total: 7 days with snow/sleet falling.

2021/2022 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

26/11 (-5), 27/11 (-7), 28/11 (-6), 02/12 (-6), 06/01 (-5), 07/01 (-6), 06/02 (-5), 19/02 (-5), 24/02 (-7), 30/03 (-7), 31/03 (-8), 01/04 (-8)
Total: 12 days with snow/sleet falling.
polarwind
04 January 2022 08:52:32

Originally Posted by: Quantum 


 


I think its because we have had a positive AO but without any 'plume' events or huge storms bringing warm temps/rain*. So the arctic has been largelly cold and clear with less snow than would be expected (good for growth). Lower latitudes have been alot warmer than expected, which kept it in the top 15 with a record late hudson freeze up. However eventually hudson was always going to freeze, and that pushed us out.


 


Lower latitude warmth may have the opposite effect though as we go deeper into winter. Not much more room for growth now in the high arctic, so warm temps at lower latitudes could cause a significant stall.


 



This ties in of course, with the N. Atlantic storms tracking generally into Europe rather than the Arctic Basin, whereas for several decades now  the route for the majority of storms has been to the north of Norway into The Basin.


There seems to be a connection here with this research -


https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fmars.2020.00491/full%20%C2%A0    -   which is about what the title says 


Borealization (adaptation (as of plants) to life in more northerly regions) of the Arctic Ocean in Response to Anomalous Advection From Sub-Arctic Seas


This year, it seems the anomalous advection has stopped and allowed ice to form more readily. What do you think?


 


 


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Dave,Derby
Surrey John
10 January 2022 15:43:44
The Northern part of the Baltic is nearly fully iced over

https://www.smhi.se/oceanografi/istjanst/produkter/sstcolor.pdf 


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Retron
10 January 2022 17:49:29

Originally Posted by: Surrey John 

The Northern part of the Baltic is nearly fully iced over

https://www.smhi.se/oceanografi/istjanst/produkter/sstcolor.pdf


Used to be common enough when I started looking at those charts, a couple of decades ago! More recently, not so much... it's good to see that the northern Gulf of Bothnia is approaching normal for once.


https://en.ilmatieteenlaitos.fi/ice-conditions


 


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