Essan
29 November 2021 20:11:18

Originally Posted by: Rob K 


I saw a post on Twitter a couple of weeks ago showing snow right down to sea level in Hobart. Pretty unusual for mid-November, akin to mid-May in the northern hemisphere.



https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-11-15/hobart-records-coldest-november-night-since-1953/100620292

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10205741/Snow-falls-Australia-antarctic-blast-hits-southeast-just-two-weeks-summer.html 

But has to be balanced against all the record warmth - assuming this thread is meant to be objective


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Gandalf The White
29 November 2021 20:28:14

Originally Posted by: Rob K 


 


I saw a post on Twitter a couple of weeks ago showing snow right down to sea level in Hobart. Pretty unusual for mid-November, akin to mid-May in the northern hemisphere.


Tasmania is of course a pretty chilly part of the world with nothing but cold ocean between it and Antarctica. I was there in January one year, the height of summer, and missed some decent snowfall across the highlands by a week.



Yes, Tasmania is about as far from the edge of Antarctica as Scotland is from the coast of Greenland, and they don’t have the Gulf Stream to modify the cold.


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johncs2016
29 November 2021 21:04:35

Originally Posted by: Gandalf The White 


 


Yes, Tasmania is about as far from the edge of Antarctica as Scotland is from the coast of Greenland, and they don’t have the Gulf Stream to modify the cold.



Let's not forget as well though that as we are going into our winter, the Southern Hemisphere is going into its summer and the least likely time of the year when you would therefore be expecting any cold weather there.


The north of Edinburgh, usually always missing out on snow events which occur not just within the rest of Scotland or the UK, but also within the rest of Edinburgh.
Bertwhistle
29 November 2021 21:18:11

Originally Posted by: johncs2016 


 


Let's not forget as well though that as we are going into our winter, the Southern Hemisphere is going into its summer and the least likely time of the year when you would therefore be expecting any cold weather there.



Not quite right- end of the winter period (ie spring) given thermal lag, will be more significant in oceanic climates.


But-back on thread- this is a weather and not climate thread?


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polarwind
29 November 2021 21:29:14

Originally Posted by: Essan 


Well, if we're going back a few weeks ....

Record high temperatures for October reported across Japan    *1


Snow on strike in the world’s coldest region, as temperatures in Siberia go 4 to 12C above the norm    *2


Tundra is ablaze in Magadan region in out-of-season wildfire, complicated by wind and zero snow


Italy hit by 20 ‘severe weather events’ in a day as Liguria sees record rainfall 


New Zealand records its warmest ever winter with average temperature of 9.8C     *3

Make of that what you will

Plenty more to see here:

http://weatherearthnews.blogspot.com/ 



*1    Indeed, and that was followed in November by record snowfalls and low temperatures.


*2    Agreed, and this positive temperature anomaly is in line with what was reported about the +2 to 4 deg.C sea temperature anomaly in October along parts of the Russian Arctic coastline, which was followed very quickly in November by very fast Arctic Ice buildup along the same coast trapping over 20 ships in different locations (as I read it). 


Over land November brought record low temperatures in Siberia along with unusually heavy snowfall.


*3   You can compare this with Australia, having its coolest November since the 90's


All in all, many of these swings in temperature/snowfall both spacially and locally are unusual in that they are big or record breaking. 


But, its certainly not time to draw any conclusions as to what is going off - 


 


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Essan
29 November 2021 21:50:45

Originally Posted by: polarwind 


But, its certainly not time to draw any conclusions as to what is going off - 




Indeed, the evidence that AGW is not happening and/or we're entering a new ice age is nearly as compelling as evidence of the mutant star goat about to eat the sun.   So we should not rush to board the B Ark.  Just yet ....


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polarwind
30 November 2021 12:40:10

 


'Coldest November temperatures since 1980'


see -


https://electroverse.net/record-lows-grip-europe-plus-big-freeze-inbound/ 


 


RECORD LOWS GRIP EUROPE


SWEDEN REGISTERS -37.4C (-35.3F)


Brutally cold Arctic air has been spilling into Scandinavia –and beyond– over the past week+.


As a result, low temperature records are being broken across mainland Europe.


Kevo, in Finland, observed a low of -32.2C (-26F) over the weekend.


Buresjön, Sweden, fell to -34.7C (-30.5F) — the town’s lowest November temperature since 2010.


But it was Nattavaara, located in Lapland, Sweden, that achieved the most impressive feat. The small tourist town, located 327m (1,073ft) above sea level, logged a bone-chilling -37.4C (-35.3F) on Monday, November 29 — this was not only a record for the station, or for Sweden, but it was Scandinavia’s coldest November temperature since 1980.


............


Interesting detail -


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polarwind
02 December 2021 19:39:22

Extreme cold sends temperatures plummeting to 73 below zero in Siberia


 


This from -https://www.accuweather.com/en/winter-weather/extreme-cold-sends-temperatures-plummeting-to-73-below-zero-in-siberia/883874 


 


If you're someone who's not a fan of cold weather, chances are you won't be taking any trips to the Russian city of Yakutsk anytime soon. The city is currently in the midst of an abnormally long period of harsh subzero cold that is considered unusual even for Siberia's standards.


The temperature in portions of the Yakutia region of eastern Russia, where Yakutsk is located, dropped below 40 degrees below zero Fahrenheit (40 degrees below zero Celsius) during the middle of December and hasn't climbed above that level since -- making this one of the longest stretches of subzero cold in at least 14 years, according to The Associated Press.


Outside of a brief "warmup" to around 24 below zero F (31 below zero C) for the first couple of days of January, the city of Yakutsk, located just south of the Arctic Circle, has recorded both high and low temperatures below 30 below zero F (34 below zero C) since Dec. 8, 2020.


Even colder air has settled into Delyankir, a small district located about 500 miles (800 km) to the northeast of Yakutsk. On Monday morning, Jan. 18, a low temperature of 73 below zero F (58.3 below zero C) was reported.


 


and, and......


 


 


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Chunky Pea
02 December 2021 20:05:47

Originally Posted by: polarwind 


Extreme cold sends temperatures plummeting to 73 below zero in Siberia


 


This from -https://www.accuweather.com/en/winter-weather/extreme-cold-sends-temperatures-plummeting-to-73-below-zero-in-siberia/883874 


 


If you're someone who's not a fan of cold weather, chances are you won't be taking any trips to the Russian city of Yakutsk anytime soon. The city is currently in the midst of an abnormally long period of harsh subzero cold that is considered unusual even for Siberia's standards.


The temperature in portions of the Yakutia region of eastern Russia, where Yakutsk is located, dropped below 40 degrees below zero Fahrenheit (40 degrees below zero Celsius) during the middle of December and hasn't climbed above that level since -- making this one of the longest stretches of subzero cold in at least 14 years, according to The Associated Press.


Outside of a brief "warmup" to around 24 below zero F (31 below zero C) for the first couple of days of January, the city of Yakutsk, located just south of the Arctic Circle, has recorded both high and low temperatures below 30 below zero F (34 below zero C) since Dec. 8, 2020.


Even colder air has settled into Delyankir, a small district located about 500 miles (800 km) to the northeast of Yakutsk. On Monday morning, Jan. 18, a low temperature of 73 below zero F (58.3 below zero C) was reported.


 


and, and......


 


 



If we look at the bigger picture, it seems that the northern edges of the great continents are excessively cold, but most places south of that (in the N Hemisphere) are excessively warm. Curious one to be honest.



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polarwind
02 December 2021 20:55:02

Originally Posted by: Chunky Pea 


 


If we look at the bigger picture, it seems that the northern edges of the great continents are excessively cold, but most places south of that (in the N Hemisphere) are excessively warm. Curious one to be honest.



Yes. it is a curious picture. Any suggestions as to why?


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Chunky Pea
02 December 2021 21:10:31

Originally Posted by: polarwind 


Yes. it is a curious picture. Any suggestions as to why?



I don't know, hence my 'curious' statement! 


On suggestion might be that there is lot of mid-latitude blocking going on across the northern hemisphere this Autumn (now winter) that could well be displacing and 'trapping in' the heat this far north.. al the while while keeping that arctic cold locked up over more northern climes. 


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polarwind
03 December 2021 09:13:58

Originally Posted by: DEW 


 


Although the article claims to be updated, all he data quoted refers to the 20/21 winter. So please explain why this has current relevance? Are you implying this is part of an ongoing trend?


There is no relevance - It was posted in the wrong thread!


Should have gone to - 'Unusual World Weather - Reports and Comments'


Sorry about that.


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Surrey John
06 December 2021 14:49:01
Some passenger trains in Sweden have been suspended due to temperatures remaining below -30c until at least Thursday. Although trains can operate in the cold, the isolated nature of the route would make any emergency a problem if an evacuation in those temperatures were required. Freight trains are continuing as drivers have emergency clothing

https://www.svt.se/nyheter/lokalt/norrbotten/tagtrafik-i-norrbotten-stalls-in-for-kallt-att-kora 




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06 December 2021 18:00:08

On this day in 1952 I went up to London from the suburbs to collect my reward for passing the 11+ - a new bicycle. It was a Saturday and my father as was common then worked a half day Saturday in his London office so I met him there.


And the weather connection? It was the second day of the Great Smog


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hmrjwAkMveE


It was every bit as bad as stated. The trains were crawling along and much delayed; you really couldn't see across the road; the air was yellowish and you could taste the smog with every breath.


Was anyone else there? 


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polarwind
06 December 2021 20:23:22

Originally Posted by: DEW 


On this day in 1952 I went up to London from the suburbs to collect my reward for passing the 11+ - a new bicycle. It was a Saturday and my father as was common then worked a half day Saturday in his London office so I met him there.


And the weather connection? It was the second day of the Great Smog


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hmrjwAkMveE


It was every bit as bad as stated. The trains were crawling along and much delayed; you really couldn't see across the road; the air was yellowish and you could taste the smog with every breath.


Was anyone else there? 



No, I was in Derby, after already riding my new BSA bike for a few weeks, which I got for passing my 11+.


Being an industrial place with lots of dirty chimneys belching out smoke, smog was often yellow. One of my memories from about that time, is of snow falling from a yellow overcast sky and through a yellow smog caused by smoke. Never seen anything like it since.


 


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06 December 2021 21:48:29

Even then people didn't either know how to wear facemasks or took the piss...


https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/gallery/smog-manchester-london-sheffield-1950s-8873555


 


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dagspot
07 December 2021 21:04:15
up to 20dc in Washington DC East USA over coming week. Reasonably impressive. Perhaps better than freezing cold causing differential over Atlantic
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polarwind
09 December 2021 13:42:50

This is impressive too -


Below from -


https://www.thelocal.fr/20211207/record-snow-in-french-pyrenees-and-theres-more-on-the-way/ 


Quote:


It has already been a remarkable December for snow in the Pyrénées - but more heavy falls are forecast from Wednesday, while the Alps are also set to enjoy more fresh snow.


The weekend was marked by sustained snowfall in the Pyrénées, with an average of between 50cm and 70cm of snow at altitudes above 1200m, rising in some areas towards western areas of the mountain chain to 1m.


According to Météo-France, the level of snowfall in the west of the Pyrénées is remarkable for the time of year, especially since accumulations were considered ‘very low’ as recently as November 24th. The forecaster said the winter snow covering below 2,000m – the average now is 1m at 1500m – is among the best for the beginning of December and equivalent to normal levels in mid-January.



The 1.37m of snow recorded at Arette La Pierre Saint Martin (1,650m) on December 6th is a record for the month since the weather station opened there in December 1971. The 1.36m recorded at the Soum Couy automatic weather station is in the top four accumulations recorded there since the station opened in January 1997.


A record 2m of snow was also recorded at Cauterets snow-meteorological observation network post, in the Hautes-Pyrénées, on December 6th – thanks to the 1m snowfall between Friday and Monday, while the 1.75m of snow recorded at lac d’Ardiden (2,445m) is the highest since the station there opened in October 1995.


and....



 


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polarwind
09 December 2021 14:27:20

 


Got this 'second hand' so circumspect: as of Tuesday Dec. 7, there has been a sharp 300 Gigatons uptick of NH snow mass above the 1982-2012 average', - according to the Finnish Meteorological Institute. 


If true this is astonishing. Anyone know their way around their website?


 


 


 


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Chunky Pea
09 December 2021 14:35:06

Originally Posted by: polarwind 


 


Got this 'second hand' so circumspect: as of Tuesday Dec. 7, there has been a sharp 300 Gigatons uptick of NH snow mass above the 1982-2012 average', - according to the Finnish Meteorological Institute. 


If true this is astonishing. Anyone know their way around their website? 



I had a look and can't find anything on their site. However, I did find this article from March 2020 claiming that same thing:


Northern Hemisphere Total Snow Mass Currently Running 300 Gigatons above the 1982-2012 Average - Electroverse


 


 


 


 


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