07 August 2020 09:35:25

29.0C at Jersey Maison St Louis @1033BST

Quantum
07 August 2020 09:38:29

Originally Posted by: Global Warming 


29.0C at Jersey Maison St Louis @1033BST



How odd.


I would have thought the sort of conditions required to produce these ridiculous temperatures in Jersey would be a very warm airmass. I'd expect uppers in the low twenties necessary.


 


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2023/2024 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):
29/11 (-6), 30/11 (-6), 02/12 (-5), 03/12 (-5), 04/12 (-3), 16/01 (-3), 18/01 (-8), 08/02 (-5)

Total: 8 days with snow/sleet falling.

2022/2023 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

18/12 (-1), 06/03 (-6), 08/03 (-8), 09/03 (-6), 10/03 (-8), 11/03 (-5), 14/03 (-6)

Total: 7 days with snow/sleet falling.

2021/2022 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

26/11 (-5), 27/11 (-7), 28/11 (-6), 02/12 (-6), 06/01 (-5), 07/01 (-6), 06/02 (-5), 19/02 (-5), 24/02 (-7), 30/03 (-7), 31/03 (-8), 01/04 (-8)
Total: 12 days with snow/sleet falling.
xioni2
07 August 2020 09:39:40

Originally Posted by: Quantum 


 so 36-37C definitely seems more likely than not now.



That has 'always' been the forecast for today though.

Quantum
07 August 2020 09:44:26

Originally Posted by: xioni2 


 


That has 'always' been the forecast for today though.



Always been quite skeptical of it. Not so much now.


I just don't get how a relatively mediocre airmass can produce these exceptional temperatures. Temperatures arn't even that exceptional across France so even low level WAA doesn't quite explain it.


Must have something to do with soil moisture and the dry spring. Must do, otherwise this kind of thing would be alot more common.


 


Twitter: @QuantumOverlord (general), @MedicaneWatch (medicane/TC stuff)
2023/2024 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):
29/11 (-6), 30/11 (-6), 02/12 (-5), 03/12 (-5), 04/12 (-3), 16/01 (-3), 18/01 (-8), 08/02 (-5)

Total: 8 days with snow/sleet falling.

2022/2023 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

18/12 (-1), 06/03 (-6), 08/03 (-8), 09/03 (-6), 10/03 (-8), 11/03 (-5), 14/03 (-6)

Total: 7 days with snow/sleet falling.

2021/2022 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

26/11 (-5), 27/11 (-7), 28/11 (-6), 02/12 (-6), 06/01 (-5), 07/01 (-6), 06/02 (-5), 19/02 (-5), 24/02 (-7), 30/03 (-7), 31/03 (-8), 01/04 (-8)
Total: 12 days with snow/sleet falling.
07 August 2020 09:50:28

Originally Posted by: Quantum 


 


Always been quite skeptical of it. Not so much now.


I just don't get how a relatively mediocre airmass can produce these exceptional temperatures. Temperatures arn't even that exceptional across France so even low level WAA doesn't quite explain it.


Must have something to do with soil moisture and the dry spring. Must do, otherwise this kind of thing would be alot more common.


 



Here are the current soil moisture levels - quite low in parts of the south-east. A wide range across the country.


http://wxmaps.org/pix/soil4

Nick Gilly
07 August 2020 09:51:13
Went out about an hour ago to get some takeaway coffees and it didn't feel as hot as it did the same time last Friday. Additionally there was a line of distant cumulonimbus visible on the western horizon. Not sure if that means shower activity will be more lively down here later than the forecast suggested.
Rob K
07 August 2020 09:51:56

Originally Posted by: Quantum 


 


Always been quite skeptical of it. Not so much now.


I just don't get how a relatively mediocre airmass can produce these exceptional temperatures. Temperatures arn't even that exceptional across France so even low level WAA doesn't quite explain it.


Must have something to do with soil moisture and the dry spring. Must do, otherwise this kind of thing would be alot more common.


 



What's strange is that the models seem to have moderated the airmass even more. We barely get to 18C at 850mb through the afternoon now.


 


Nick - I can see the same line of cloud out to the west. It's visible on the Blackbushe webcam, which looks in the same direction as my window does, from only a mile or so away. https://www.blackbusheairport.co.uk/weather/


 


Looking at the radar those must be the showers that are around Bristol. I know from looking at plane trackers that I can see planes (or at least their sunlit contrails!) at 35,000ft up to 200 miles away out of my window (over mid Wales) so would be easy to see tall shower clouds there.


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roadrunnerajn
07 August 2020 09:55:11

There are some hefty showers forming and moving NE in the SW channel. This could cap the late afternoon max temperatures.


Germoe, part of the breakaway Celtic Republic.
Ulric
07 August 2020 09:59:14

My station reading 29.6 right now.


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07 August 2020 09:59:23

Originally Posted by: roadrunnerajn 


There are some hefty showers forming and moving NE in the SW channel. This could cap the late afternoon max temperatures.



A very large cloud mass there which will probably head into central southern England this afternoon (as forecast). Highest temperatures will definitely be further east. Already that cloud is impacting the Channel Isles. Jersey on the eastern fringes of it.


https://meteoradar.co.uk/clouds-sun-UK-Ireland

Heavy Weather 2013
07 August 2020 10:00:48

I've just looked at the Satellite. Looks like a large mass of cloud heading towards the Channel Islands. Could it central southern England later.


Its never simple is it.  


Mark
Beckton, E London
Less than 500m from the end of London City Airport runway.
Rob K
07 August 2020 10:02:47

I thought we were forecast pretty much uninterrupted sunshine until the evening. Certainly not looking that way on the satellite image. I can't see how we will get close to a record with that lot heading our way.


Yateley, NE Hampshire, 73m asl
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Heavy Weather 2013
07 August 2020 10:05:25

Originally Posted by: Rob K 


I thought we were forecast pretty much uninterrupted sunshine until the evening. Certainly not looking that way on the satellite image. I can't see how we will get close to a record with that lot heading our way.



Its full of rain as well 


Mark
Beckton, E London
Less than 500m from the end of London City Airport runway.
07 August 2020 10:07:11

Originally Posted by: Rob K 


I thought we were forecast pretty much uninterrupted sunshine until the evening. Certainly not looking that way on the satellite image. I can't see how we will get close to a record with that lot heading our way.



If you watched the BBC forecasts on TV last night there was a lot of cloud forecast across central southern England this afternoon with a few embedded showers. It was absolutely forecast.

GezM
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07 August 2020 10:07:37
Temperatures rising quickly in the usual hot spots. Norwich and Heathrow both showing 29C. Will that cloud impact these areas?
Living in St Albans, Herts (116m asl)
Working at Luton Airport, Beds (160m asl)
Rob K
07 August 2020 10:09:51
The Met's latest tweet shows the 37C symbol over Heathrow at 5pm so they seem confident that temperatures won't be capped in the afternoon!
Yateley, NE Hampshire, 73m asl
"But who wants to be foretold the weather? It is bad enough when it comes, without our having the misery of knowing about it beforehand." — Jerome K. Jerome
07 August 2020 10:15:04

I have worked out what is happening with the hourly Heathrow temperatures on the Weathercast site. Initially they are showing the XX50 METAR reading and then once the XX00 Met Office station reading becomes available they replace the METAR reading. The METARs are always shown to the nearest whole degree. So the 29.0C showing for 1100 will be updated shortly (unless the Met Office site also happened to be reading 29.0C at 1100).


Kenley 29.7C @1100


EDIT  - Heathrow figure now updated to 29.4C

Heavy Weather 2013
07 August 2020 10:17:30

I'd like us to be on 31C by at least midday.


I feel things are fraught with danger today


Mark
Beckton, E London
Less than 500m from the end of London City Airport runway.
Retron
07 August 2020 10:17:59

Originally Posted by: ChrisJG 

Meanwhile, in Cumbria, some sun and a temp in the 20's would be appreciated! It's another climate altogether it would appear. So pleased for everyone getting these hot temps tho…………..


These hot temperatures suck... you really don't want them if you're at work or in a house without a/c!


Meanwhile as of 11 AM we have Heathrow and Gatwick reporting 29, with Calais on 32.


 


Leysdown, north Kent
TimS
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07 August 2020 10:20:06
It seems that the really hot days - at least recently - usually happen ahead of a trough or front to the West, rather than when we have a stagnant hot air mass sitting over the country in high pressure. i.e. a plume. Doesn't mean the trough ever reaches the SE, it may retrogress as is forecast this time or it may move across but weakened as happened a week ago. But this pattern gave us the record on 10 August 2003, and the record last year, the July record in 2015 as well as last week's 1 day effort.

August 1990 was more of a stagnant airmass as were the peaks of temperature at around 35C in 1976, 1995 and 2018. Can't remember what the peak in July 2006 looked like.

Classic warm conveyor I think, with some katabatic heating over the downs and enough Southerly flow and mixing to prevent a temperature inversion.

Brockley, South East London 30m asl
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