Hospital my wife works at has converted nearly all the operating theatres into ICU wards for CV patients, a kind of overspill.

First one being moved into there tonight as the existing wards are full.

 

Cool name as well I thought.

Yes it’s a great Surname 😁😉

 

Cool name as well I thought.

👍

Has exactly the right connotations and emotional connection.

Updated trajectory

UK seemed to be on a similar trajectory to China ('s falsified figures), and beginning to flatten, but now seems more akin to France, which is following Italy. 

Damn.

Hospital my wife works at has converted nearly all the operating theatres into ICU wards for CV patients, a kind of overspill.

First one being moved into there tonight as the existing wards are full.

 

The Manchester version of the Nightingale is coming along well by all accounts. Sounds like it will be required.

 When you stop the incessant whining I'll stop flagging it.

I don't think Mark is whining, he is in a more vulnerable position than most and he is right to be worried and highlight possible issues.

The 'stop criticising, you armchair idiots' stance can also be quite annoying. As usually, a fine balance is needed.

Updated trajectory

These graphs are quite informative, but we also need to see standardised versions ('per capita'). A death is still a death of course.

 

 

UK seemed to be on a similar trajectory to China ('s falsified figures), and beginning to flatten, but now seems more akin to France, which is following Italy. 

Damn.

 

Given the scale is logarithmic it's difficult to be certain but France looks to be on a slightly lower trajectory than Italy and, if the decline today in the U.K. figure is maintained then we will be on a similarly lower trajectory.

 

I don't think Mark is whining, he is in a more vulnerable position than most and he is right to be worried and highlight possible issues.

The 'stop criticising, you armchair idiots' stance can also be quite annoying. As usually, a fine balance is needed.

 

 

Especially when it comes from an idiot in an armchair.

 

I don't think Mark is whining, he is in a more vulnerable position than most and he is right to be worried and highlight possible issues.

The 'stop criticising, you armchair idiots' stance can also be quite annoying. As usually, a fine balance is needed.

 

 

Yes, balance is needed. Plus, I have never called anyone in these threads an idiot; I just don't agree with the almost constant sniping and negativity.

Pretty much sums up my thoughts. I could never vote Tory but I find myself being quite glad the current shower of Labour loons and losers aren’t in power at the moment. 

Agree . If it wasn't a matter of life and death there would be amusement value in seeing Corbyn, Burgon and Long-Bailey running the show.

My complaints about the current government in the current crisis are:

1) Lack of testing

2) Poor and muddled communication (although to be fair the scientists have probably made things worse by speaking too frequently) 

3) Lack of PPE

On the plus side they have moved quickly to mitigate some of the economic impacts. They are also pulling the levers in the NHS and trying to make things happen. Unfortunately that gets to my main bone of contention which is the NHS itself. For decades politicians of all colours have refused to discuss provision of healthcare in a grown up way in the UK.

 

I don't think Mark is whining, he is in a more vulnerable position than most and he is right to be worried and highlight possible issues.

The 'stop criticising, you armchair idiots' stance can also be quite annoying. As usually, a fine balance is needed.

 

 

Thank you Xioni :) 

Look Gandalf, I don’t want to keep giving out and I don’t want to come across that I am whinging. 

I realise the government have a difficult task, near impossible at times. But this is is their job - No government should ever not assume the next crisis is very far away.

Im pleased they give daily updates, and these are an important steps forward and the government are now moving in the right direction with many things.

However, while you have frontline workers still saying they are not adequately protected it’s our duty to call this out. Positive platitudes are all well an good, but these are no good if we don’t have the basic equipment for our fantastic health workers to do their job. A number of weeks now we have been promised this is coming - and it must. The government should not be above criticism even in a crisis.

I don’t want to argue. We are all approaching this crisis in different ways. 

 Yes, balance is needed. Plus, I have never called anyone in these threads an idiot; I just don't agree with the almost constant sniping and negativity.

Without wanting to sound patronising, I find that empathy usually helps. Mark's immune system is compromised, so he has every reason to criticise what he sees as wrong measures or approaches or mistakes etc. They threaten his life. I find his posts fairly balanced and very human.

I was called a twa$t for praising Cumming's excellent slogan (which will literally save lives), even though you know my view of him, but what can you do I guess.

On the plus side they have moved quickly to mitigate some of the economic impacts. They are also pulling the levers in the NHS and trying to make things happen. Unfortunately that gets to my main bone of contention which is the NHS itself. For decades politicians of all colours have refused to discuss provision of healthcare in a grown up way in the UK.

You know what I hope Brian. That after this is over, the NHS is no longer a political football. I believe it should be a cross party ring fenced asset.

It would have to be a cross party ‘board’ that looks after it’s interests and not the party of government at the time.

I think this crisis will bring about change across the board. 

Pretty much sums up my thoughts. I could never vote Tory but I find myself being quite glad the current shower of Labour loons and losers aren’t in power at the moment. 

If a Corbyn-led government would have implemented the financial measures announced by Sunak, there would have been a concerted and coordinated campaign by the RWM against the government. It's quite illuminating to consider how the media has a huge amount of influence in setting the mood.

Interestingly Boris' mouthpiece has a negative spin on things:

Britain's coronavirus death toll bigger than official figures show, experts warn

Until now daily figures have only counted those in hospital, and show growing time lag approaching three weeks in some cases

The UK death toll from coronavirus is likely to be far larger than that shown by official figures, experts have said.

Until now, daily figures – which reveal 1,415 UK deaths so far – have only counted those in hospital, and show a growing time lag approaching three weeks in some cases.

On Tuesday, the Office for National Statistics will release data for England and Wales which should include any death linked by doctors to coronavirus, regardless of where the person died.

Officials are braced for an increase in deaths, but expect a far sharper hike in the coming weeks because even Tuesday's figures have a time lag of 11 days from the point a death is officially registered.

The development comes as the number of people being treated in hospital for coronavirus doubled in less than a week. Sir Simon Stevens, the head of the NHS, said on Monday that more than 9,000 patients are in hospital with Covid-19 – up from 4,300 on Thursday.

Every day, NHS England releases figures showing the number of new deaths and the total number of confirmed deaths reported. But a growing time lag reporting such cases means the new data from the NHS included deaths that date back to March 13.

It comes after an email to staff at King's College Hospital Trust in London disclosed that 31 patients had died from Covid-19 over a six-week period, but that official figures had only recorded 11 of them.

The deputy chief medical officer, Dr Jenny Harries, said there was a time lag in the number of deaths tallied up as officials firm up the numbers and speak to families.

It raises the prospect that Britain could be following the deadly trajectory seen in Italy, which has now seen more than 10,000 deaths.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/03/30/britains-coronavirus-death-toll-bigger-official-figures-show/

Quite sad to read more and more reports of domestic violence incidents shooting up in several locked down countries. It's almost across the board.

Interestingly Boris' mouthpiece has a negative spin on things:

Britain's coronavirus death toll bigger than official figures show, experts warn

Until now daily figures have only counted those in hospital, and show growing time lag approaching three weeks in some cases

The UK death toll from coronavirus is likely to be far larger than that shown by official figures, experts have said.

Until now, daily figures – which reveal 1,415 UK deaths so far – have only counted those in hospital, and show a growing time lag approaching three weeks in some cases.

On Tuesday, the Office for National Statistics will release data for England and Wales which should include any death linked by doctors to coronavirus, regardless of where the person died.

Officials are braced for an increase in deaths, but expect a far sharper hike in the coming weeks because even Tuesday's figures have a time lag of 11 days from the point a death is officially registered.

The development comes as the number of people being treated in hospital for coronavirus doubled in less than a week. Sir Simon Stevens, the head of the NHS, said on Monday that more than 9,000 patients are in hospital with Covid-19 – up from 4,300 on Thursday.

Every day, NHS England releases figures showing the number of new deaths and the total number of confirmed deaths reported. But a growing time lag reporting such cases means the new data from the NHS included deaths that date back to March 13.

It comes after an email to staff at King's College Hospital Trust in London disclosed that 31 patients had died from Covid-19 over a six-week period, but that official figures had only recorded 11 of them.

The deputy chief medical officer, Dr Jenny Harries, said there was a time lag in the number of deaths tallied up as officials firm up the numbers and speak to families.

It raises the prospect that Britain could be following the deadly trajectory seen in Italy, which has now seen more than 10,000 deaths.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/03/30/britains-coronavirus-death-toll-bigger-official-figures-show/

 

Oh dear

Had to go into work to collect some stuff this morning and saw a lone trial biker  zooming along The Ridgeway in South Oxfordshire near Chilton.

I don't think  it ticks  either the "necessary" or "exercise" boxes but I suppose being solitary there isn't much of a risk.  By contrast, having a brief chat with my neighbour (from opposite sides of the road) and he saw a group of similar taking advantage of  an abandoned golf course construction site.  He thought it was all OK, until  for some unexplainable reason they all swapped helmets and visors

It's difficult to think of a better way of spreading it around really

Without wanting to sound patronising, I find that empathy usually helps. Mark's immune system is compromised, so he has every reason to criticise what he sees as wrong measures or approaches or mistakes etc. They threaten his life. I find his posts fairly balanced and very human.

I was called a twa$t for praising Cumming's excellent slogan (which will literally save lives), even though you know my view of him, but what can you do I guess.

Well that wasn't the problem, we all know that Cummings is a smart cookie although he is also a sociopath.

You linked the comment originally to derogatory comments about remainers but then you may have been being ironic ;)

Simple messages do indeed carry weight amongst the masses although, as we know from Brexit, there needs to be an undercurrent that needs exploiting to back the message.

In this case the science backs the message