The Beast from the East
18 November 2019 09:12:38

Originally Posted by: Heavy Weather 2013 


 


17C in December. Its a no from me.



Great for canvassing and will boost turnout if election day is mild and dry 


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Rob K
18 November 2019 09:22:36

Originally Posted by: doctormog 


 


It would be however it is one scenario from the ensembles and many of the other anticyclonic options are somewhat more seasonal 




To me that suggests the likelihood is a fairly cool start to December after a mild blip at the weekend. But a chance of the milder air hanging on.


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David M Porter
18 November 2019 09:59:59

The fact that the MetO updates over the past few days have been mentioning the possibility of wintry precipitation over high ground at times over as we head towards December suggests to me that even if it does turn somewhat milder compared to recently, it is unlikely to be especially mild. At least in the north, that is.


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Brian Gaze
18 November 2019 11:12:54

Screaming northerly on the trusty GFS 06z. Perhaps it's time for the much maligned "toppler" to make a comeback.



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Saint Snow
18 November 2019 11:42:41

Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 


Screaming northerly on the trusty GFS 06z. Perhaps it's time for the much maligned "toppler" to make a comeback.




 


That chart sure is a thing of beauty


 


 


Edit: and technically, isn't that very much a positive NAO 



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JOHN NI
18 November 2019 11:54:59

Originally Posted by: Saint Snow 


 


 


That chart sure is a thing of beauty


 


 


Edit: and technically, isn't that very much a positive NAO 



Except the operational is nearly at the bottom of the ensemble pack by then....


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Saint Snow
18 November 2019 12:07:23

Originally Posted by: JOHN NI 


 


Except the operational is nearly at the bottom of the ensemble pack by then....



 


Pft! Mere detail. Begone with your curmudgeon.


 


 



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Lionel Hutz
18 November 2019 12:32:06

Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 


Screaming northerly on the trusty GFS 06z. Perhaps it's time for the much maligned "toppler" to make a comeback.




If that came off, it could be a bit more than a toppler - signs of a Greenland High developing. However, it is presumably only once of many options given the spread in the ensembles. Still, nice to look at...


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doctormog
18 November 2019 13:41:04

Originally Posted by: JOHN NI 


 


Except the operational is nearly at the bottom of the ensemble pack by then....



In the same way the 00z op model was at the top at the end of the run. Both are equally extreme/likely/unlikely. (Although realistically no doubt the milder option is more probable).


Maunder Minimum
18 November 2019 13:44:09

The old SSW malarkey is around:


https://twitter.com/judah47/status/1196413242672926722?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw


Prospects of an SSW in early December are improving, but as we saw in January this year, they do not necessarily deliver the goodies in our neck of the woods.


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JOHN NI
18 November 2019 14:18:39

Originally Posted by: Maunder Minimum 


The old SSW malarkey is around:


https://twitter.com/judah47/status/1196413242672926722?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw


Prospects of an SSW in early December are improving, but as we saw in January this year, they do not necessarily deliver the goodies in our neck of the woods.



Yes and with the probability of a switch from a westerly QBO to an easterly some time in the next couple of months - in theory at least the two combined (or in proximity) should increase the chances of colder weather types later in the winter. Thats my current thinking anyway....though this can also be masked by just plain old climatology as that'll normally the coldest period of the year anyway. 


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Heavy Weather 2013
18 November 2019 15:09:08

Originally Posted by: Maunder Minimum 


The old SSW malarkey is around:


https://twitter.com/judah47/status/1196413242672926722?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw


Prospects of an SSW in early December are improving, but as we saw in January this year, they do not necessarily deliver the goodies in our neck of the woods.



Waiting for the SSW last year was like pulling teeth.


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Saint Snow
18 November 2019 15:17:39

Originally Posted by: Heavy Weather 2013 


Waiting for the SSW last year was like...



 


...waiting for a Northern Rail train



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Heavy Weather 2013
18 November 2019 15:36:30

Originally Posted by: Saint Snow 


 


 


...waiting for a Northern Rail train




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Saint Snow
18 November 2019 15:54:44

Originally Posted by: Heavy Weather 2013 


 




 


"...people kept saying one was on the way, but it never seemed to arrive and when it finally did, it didn't do much"


 


 



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David M Porter
18 November 2019 16:10:51

Originally Posted by: Saint Snow 


 


 


...waiting for a Northern Rail train



Or a ScotRail train.


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Chichesterweatherfan2
18 November 2019 16:18:05

Originally Posted by: David M Porter 


 


Or a ScotRail train.



 


Hi David, I'd say even better, the Caledonian Sleeper...just enjoyed a 100% refund on the trip the other week to Inverness..Sleeper was more than an hour late, so all our money back...even better the scenery north of Pitlochry was stunning which we could see in daylight... snow on the tops at Dromachter.... I was tempted to book another trip based on the likelihood of the service being late and us getting our money back again....apols for the completely off topic post!  I can't really contribute to this thread in a meaningful manner really!

doctormog
18 November 2019 17:25:17

Originally Posted by: Chichesterweatherfan2 


 


 


Hi David, I'd say even better, the Caledonian Sleeper...just enjoyed a 100% refund on the trip the other week to Inverness..Sleeper was more than an hour late, so all our money back...even better the scenery north of Pitlochry was stunning which we could see in daylight... snow on the tops at Dromachter.... I was tempted to book another trip based on the likelihood of the service being late and us getting our money back again....apols for the completely off topic post!  I can't really contribute to this thread in a meaningful manner really!



Nice 


I see the GFS 12z op shows another brief northerly passing through towards the end of the month https://www.wetterzentrale.de/maps/GFSOPEU12_252_1.png 


Foghorn
18 November 2019 18:25:39
The 1200 run shows a reversion to cold as we head in to December with good northern blocking.
Ally Pally Snowman
18 November 2019 18:46:14

Maybe, maybe just maybe a hint of significant cold appearing in the start of December. Probably only a 20% chance at this stage but worth keeping an eye on . Some hope for Coldies.


 


 


 



 


 


 


 


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