JOHN NI
16 October 2019 12:01:19
0600 GFS ensemble seems to be gradually exhibiting more spread after about 24th - suggesting the transition to cold is unlikely to be as straightforward as some recent operational runs were implying. Not surprising really.
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LA2B MeridFlowEuro09
16 October 2019 17:49:45


Nah. GFS UKMO and ECMWF from 96,120,144hrs not that interesting for the UK at all.


And beyond that GFS has no idea at all- no cold Northerly flow being shown.


I guess the warmer and drier weather will return, but as it does- so will more wet and windy and cool weather or mild SW winds and heavy rain or showers mixed with sunnier spells.


Nothing special at all, it gets drier by Monday or even by Sunday I believe. 


Then Low Pressure could move in by the 24th and 25th October in it.


So diffficult for the UK to get colder weather in October, milder weather again forecasted by UKMO, GFS and ECMWF Models by Tuesday the 22nd October etc etc..


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Climate is warming up, Scotland and N Ireland and North England still often gets some Winter frost, ice and snow, November to March, but the SE and South UK including S Central England and Wales, together with the West and North through the year, they sometimes get more rain than London and S SE England, where some longer dry fine spells without much heavy rain is seen every year.

The North Atlantic Sea often gets some much Colder Wintry conditions from November to March Months, and Mild SW and South winds tend to be more frequent over the East and SE of North Atlantic Sea, as the Azores High tends to stay in charge. 

With this warmth and heat, the Central and South UK has become mostly free of snow and frost.
Whether Idle
16 October 2019 18:18:54

I'm beginning to sense that the remainder of October may be on the unsettled side, and notwithstanding the large amount of scatter in these central England ensembles. 


I do note that the precipitation spikes pick up again from 25th, so a resumption of the wetter and  unsettled theme is a distinct possibility at this stage, after somewhat of a respite later this week and early next.


 


 


 


Diagramme GEFS


Edit - In recent Octobers we've seen quite a few late plumey events.  Todays 12z GFS again plays around with this idea: one to watch and see if it is one that is dropped for a cold plunge as was showing on recent runs. 12z uppers for Halloween shown below:



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LA2B MeridFlowEuro09
16 October 2019 19:51:15

Good evening to all.


There appears to be a mixed signal from ECMWF model 12z that areas of Low Pressure and cool conditions have good chance of influencing UK NE Atlantic and North Europe Airmass set up.  
It is looking chilly but 23rd October showing up as less cool..


The GFS, UKMO and ECMWF are going to experience a few twists and turns in the next 5 days.


All to play for.  Cold air in Greenland and Arctic and Norwegian Sea North Atlantic and North Europe still looks quite potent and organised player in all this.


Climate is warming up, Scotland and N Ireland and North England still often gets some Winter frost, ice and snow, November to March, but the SE and South UK including S Central England and Wales, together with the West and North through the year, they sometimes get more rain than London and S SE England, where some longer dry fine spells without much heavy rain is seen every year.

The North Atlantic Sea often gets some much Colder Wintry conditions from November to March Months, and Mild SW and South winds tend to be more frequent over the East and SE of North Atlantic Sea, as the Azores High tends to stay in charge. 

With this warmth and heat, the Central and South UK has become mostly free of snow and frost.
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17 October 2019 05:48:29

All change this morning. Next week's forecast HP only hanging on by the skin of its teeth, and sited to the east of the UK (NI/NW Scotland not getting much of a look in). ECM shows and early breakdown with local LP back by the end of the week, GFS a more comprehensive breakdown later with cold air from the NW. Only 3 or 4 of the GEFS runs have any sign of yesterday's northeasterlies. Big variations in ens temps


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ballamar
17 October 2019 08:59:58
ECM at the end of the run comes true I am going to start selling plans on Ark building!
tallyho_83
17 October 2019 10:20:35
I see the the GFS models have backed off from that Northerly cold snap during the final week of month?!
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roadrunnerajn
17 October 2019 11:40:26

Originally Posted by: ballamar 

ECM at the end of the run comes true I am going to start selling plans on Ark building!


I’m looking at selling my boat..... maybe I’ll wait a week or so....


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Russwirral
17 October 2019 13:24:49
Not the first time the GFS has finiahed its run with major northerly blocking and northern europe into the freezer. Unusual for this early in the season.

Looks like we go from LP dictating things to HP... with that comes the risk of very low and very high temps... but mostly...drier weather 🙂
Saint Snow
17 October 2019 14:39:30

Originally Posted by: tallyho_83 

I see the the GFS models have backed off from that Northerly cold snap during the final week of month?!


 


 


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LA2B MeridFlowEuro09
17 October 2019 18:08:32

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The UKMO, GFS 12z runs today keep the UK under High Pressure for much of Next Week, very quiet week of Autumn weather expected.


The Norwegian Sea NE Atlantic to our North and NE, NNE Europe and Iceland plus Greenland and also NW Atlantic get some cold winter weather, but by Thursday and Friday the NW and North Atlantic see further West to East Moving Jetstream energy- with Low Pressure systems Undercutting the Greenland high, then undercut the SW side of the Cold Pool to our North and NE Lol.


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Climate is warming up, Scotland and N Ireland and North England still often gets some Winter frost, ice and snow, November to March, but the SE and South UK including S Central England and Wales, together with the West and North through the year, they sometimes get more rain than London and S SE England, where some longer dry fine spells without much heavy rain is seen every year.

The North Atlantic Sea often gets some much Colder Wintry conditions from November to March Months, and Mild SW and South winds tend to be more frequent over the East and SE of North Atlantic Sea, as the Azores High tends to stay in charge. 

With this warmth and heat, the Central and South UK has become mostly free of snow and frost.
LA2B MeridFlowEuro09
17 October 2019 18:20:20

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The Blowtorch High is being shown by the ECMWF 12z, giving the UK nothing much- the NW Atlantic at 24-24-72-96 hrs is being shown to get only Scotland and NE Ireland some of the tip of the cold arctic air, but for much of the UK on Sunday at T96 hmm, cool and showery regime is being shown.


This model is agreed with the GFS and UKMO, but the ICON brings the Cold Arctic Northerly in by Thursday and Friday the 24th and 25th October et all.


So- on Wednesday- with 12z ECMWF run being awaited, we see fine settled high pressure over the UK, NE Europe get cold arctic air this coming Weekend, with a few days break then another NE Europe cold plunge from Wednesday onwards aka the 23rd Oct. 2019.


Low Pressure over the NW Atlantic next week as being shown at T96, for this Sunday 12z runs, 20th Oct., a large WAA wedge of air associated with a Deep NW Atlantic Low.  This is shown to cross NE Atlantic and push from the NW and North Atlantic to Southwest and SE of North and NE Europe (away from the UK).


The ECMWF 12z is not showing a mild SW flow in NW Atlantic but actually a cold arctic Plunge for North Atlantic- with massive blocking high- Greenland high, but less cold for West and SW side of Greenland next week. Iceland, Eastern Greenland and Svalbard plus Norwegian Sea and NE Europe seeing very cold spell indeed- is forecasted.


Climate is warming up, Scotland and N Ireland and North England still often gets some Winter frost, ice and snow, November to March, but the SE and South UK including S Central England and Wales, together with the West and North through the year, they sometimes get more rain than London and S SE England, where some longer dry fine spells without much heavy rain is seen every year.

The North Atlantic Sea often gets some much Colder Wintry conditions from November to March Months, and Mild SW and South winds tend to be more frequent over the East and SE of North Atlantic Sea, as the Azores High tends to stay in charge. 

With this warmth and heat, the Central and South UK has become mostly free of snow and frost.
DEW
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18 October 2019 05:53:36

Similar sort of pattern to yesterday, but with GFS being more bullish about HP over the UK, stronger and continuing longer, though there's a close brush with a depression in the NW mid/late next week. ECM more hesitant about setting up an HP cell, bit indications are there. Most GEFS runs have temps at or slightly above average, and rainfall low, especially in the op and control runs.


One cautionary note - Hagibis has sent the jet stream into wild meanderings, and according to Weather for thee Week Ahead on BBC last night, this is badly handled by computer models. They were not really offering any forecast for as much as a week ahead. https://max.nwstatic.co.uk/gfsimages/gfs.20191018/00/159/hgt300.png 


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ballamar
18 October 2019 21:13:31
Trend for HP to be in control in 9-10 days with a nice blast of cold to the NE.
http://www.wetterzentrale.de/maps/ECMOPEU12_240_1.png 
Would be great in a month let’s hope it’s a repeating pattern
DEW
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19 October 2019 06:27:26

Originally Posted by: ballamar 

Trend for HP to be in control in 9-10 days with a nice blast of cold to the NE.
http://www.wetterzentrale.de/maps/ECMOPEU12_240_1.png
Would be great in a month let’s hope it’s a repeating pattern


Ten days is a long time in weather! Latest GFS charts show breakdown then with LP from SW.


High pressure generally present for a week or so after current LP fills and moves away in the next few days. GFS shows it as the fragile* tail ends of ridges, first from SW then from NW.  ECM more positive on a definite HP centre, FAX and GEFS show LP grazing the NW with rain for Scotland even in the middle of next week. S Britain notably dry until beginning of Nov


GEFS temps about average except that the op run is a notable cold outlier, as much as 5C below normal for several days


 


* Fragile in the sense that there are quite deep LPs on either side which could easily expand or move so as to displace the ridge


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Joe Bloggs
19 October 2019 09:27:46

I see Iceland is about to get its first proper winter blast with bitter northerly winds and ice days with heavy snow showers in the north of the island. 


Quite a strong blocking theme over Greenland and the mid Atlantic which could give us some seasonal weather - however the Arctic flow looks likely to miss us with high pressure nudging in from the SE. 



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19 October 2019 09:52:16

Originally Posted by: Joe Bloggs 


I see Iceland is about to get its first proper winter blast with bitter northerly winds and ice days with heavy snow showers in the north of the island. 


Quite a strong blocking theme over Greenland and the mid Atlantic which could give us some seasonal weather - however the Arctic flow looks likely to miss us with high pressure nudging in from the SE. 



Yes, when looking at the FAX charts for next Tuesday and Wednesday I was struck by the big HP area extending from north of Greenland to south of Newfoundland.  I don't remember seeing such a large HP in that location very often.


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Joe Bloggs
19 October 2019 16:50:05

Definitely the chance of something a bit chillier towards next weekend. 


Really interesting pressure pattern to our NW. 


https://www.wetterzentrale.de/maps/GFSOPEU12_192_1.png



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The Beast from the East
19 October 2019 17:27:59

Originally Posted by: Joe Bloggs 


Definitely the chance of something a bit chillier towards next weekend. 


Really interesting pressure pattern to our NW. 


https://www.wetterzentrale.de/maps/GFSOPEU12_192_1.png



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tierradelfuego
19 October 2019 20:07:35
Interesting GEFS tonight down here for Reading with the OP 850hPa and 2m pretty much bang on the mean at ~5c above LTA throughout. The MSLP though is a totally different story with the OP 10-20mB below the mean, and opposing the Control till the end of the run. Pretty dry throughout.
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