Quantum
23 September 2019 15:27:05

Looking at the eventual extratropical transition.



Fully Tropical at 192h



Gained extratropical characturistics by 240h. Cold and warm fronts appearing although core of the cyclone is maintained.



Rapid extratropical transition underway by 252h



Extratropical by 276h.


 


 


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2023/2024 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):
29/11 (-6), 30/11 (-6), 02/12 (-5), 03/12 (-5), 04/12 (-3), 16/01 (-3), 18/01 (-8), 08/02 (-5)

Total: 8 days with snow/sleet falling.

2022/2023 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

18/12 (-1), 06/03 (-6), 08/03 (-8), 09/03 (-6), 10/03 (-8), 11/03 (-5), 14/03 (-6)

Total: 7 days with snow/sleet falling.

2021/2022 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

26/11 (-5), 27/11 (-7), 28/11 (-6), 02/12 (-6), 06/01 (-5), 07/01 (-6), 06/02 (-5), 19/02 (-5), 24/02 (-7), 30/03 (-7), 31/03 (-8), 01/04 (-8)
Total: 12 days with snow/sleet falling.
Lionel Hutz
23 September 2019 16:03:46

Originally Posted by: Quantum 


 


Indeed, there have also been plenty of 'ophelia' candidates I've talked about in here that have turned out to be busts. At this stage its interesting but nothing more than that.


 



I certainly hope that that continues to be the case and that this one's another "bust". When Ophelia hit here, it felt quite surreal to be avidly watch the NHC website with Ireland(and the UK to a lesser extent) showing up on the warnings cone etc. I can do without a repeat of that. The charts above suggest that we're not in any big danger with HP keeping any storm track well to the West.


Since this morning, I see that this storm has today become TS Lorenzo.


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Nr.Waterford , S E Ireland
68m ASL



Quantum
23 September 2019 18:58:04


ECM has it still as a hurricane at 240h


 


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2023/2024 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):
29/11 (-6), 30/11 (-6), 02/12 (-5), 03/12 (-5), 04/12 (-3), 16/01 (-3), 18/01 (-8), 08/02 (-5)

Total: 8 days with snow/sleet falling.

2022/2023 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

18/12 (-1), 06/03 (-6), 08/03 (-8), 09/03 (-6), 10/03 (-8), 11/03 (-5), 14/03 (-6)

Total: 7 days with snow/sleet falling.

2021/2022 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

26/11 (-5), 27/11 (-7), 28/11 (-6), 02/12 (-6), 06/01 (-5), 07/01 (-6), 06/02 (-5), 19/02 (-5), 24/02 (-7), 30/03 (-7), 31/03 (-8), 01/04 (-8)
Total: 12 days with snow/sleet falling.
DEW
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24 September 2019 06:23:54

Sorry that Karen didn't come up to scratch and has now declined further to a mere depression (suggestion of a hurricane yesterday was down to my sloppy phrasing under time pressure, I do look at the nhc site).


Lorenzo now off Africa forecast to make up for any disappointment and to become a major hurricane in mid-Atlantic, and, as Q says, both ECM & GFS show it persisting close to UK in about 9-10 days.


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Quantum
24 September 2019 08:18:03

Latest 0Z GFS has Lorenzo ploughing straight into the Azores.


 


Twitter: @QuantumOverlord (general), @MedicaneWatch (medicane/TC stuff)
2023/2024 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):
29/11 (-6), 30/11 (-6), 02/12 (-5), 03/12 (-5), 04/12 (-3), 16/01 (-3), 18/01 (-8), 08/02 (-5)

Total: 8 days with snow/sleet falling.

2022/2023 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

18/12 (-1), 06/03 (-6), 08/03 (-8), 09/03 (-6), 10/03 (-8), 11/03 (-5), 14/03 (-6)

Total: 7 days with snow/sleet falling.

2021/2022 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

26/11 (-5), 27/11 (-7), 28/11 (-6), 02/12 (-6), 06/01 (-5), 07/01 (-6), 06/02 (-5), 19/02 (-5), 24/02 (-7), 30/03 (-7), 31/03 (-8), 01/04 (-8)
Total: 12 days with snow/sleet falling.
Quantum
24 September 2019 08:21:56

The 0Z has the TC maintaining some tropical characturistics when the storm makes landfall over the UK



This would only likely be just declared extratropical at this point.


If it can stay to the East of the cold front then the shear instead of ripping the storm apart could ventilate it.  That's part of the reason Ophelia lasted so long.


 


 


Twitter: @QuantumOverlord (general), @MedicaneWatch (medicane/TC stuff)
2023/2024 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):
29/11 (-6), 30/11 (-6), 02/12 (-5), 03/12 (-5), 04/12 (-3), 16/01 (-3), 18/01 (-8), 08/02 (-5)

Total: 8 days with snow/sleet falling.

2022/2023 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

18/12 (-1), 06/03 (-6), 08/03 (-8), 09/03 (-6), 10/03 (-8), 11/03 (-5), 14/03 (-6)

Total: 7 days with snow/sleet falling.

2021/2022 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

26/11 (-5), 27/11 (-7), 28/11 (-6), 02/12 (-6), 06/01 (-5), 07/01 (-6), 06/02 (-5), 19/02 (-5), 24/02 (-7), 30/03 (-7), 31/03 (-8), 01/04 (-8)
Total: 12 days with snow/sleet falling.
Quantum
24 September 2019 16:58:17


Lorenzo vs cold front


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2023/2024 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):
29/11 (-6), 30/11 (-6), 02/12 (-5), 03/12 (-5), 04/12 (-3), 16/01 (-3), 18/01 (-8), 08/02 (-5)

Total: 8 days with snow/sleet falling.

2022/2023 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

18/12 (-1), 06/03 (-6), 08/03 (-8), 09/03 (-6), 10/03 (-8), 11/03 (-5), 14/03 (-6)

Total: 7 days with snow/sleet falling.

2021/2022 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

26/11 (-5), 27/11 (-7), 28/11 (-6), 02/12 (-6), 06/01 (-5), 07/01 (-6), 06/02 (-5), 19/02 (-5), 24/02 (-7), 30/03 (-7), 31/03 (-8), 01/04 (-8)
Total: 12 days with snow/sleet falling.
Quantum
24 September 2019 18:46:17


GEM has lorenzo still as a hurricane by 240h


 


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2023/2024 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):
29/11 (-6), 30/11 (-6), 02/12 (-5), 03/12 (-5), 04/12 (-3), 16/01 (-3), 18/01 (-8), 08/02 (-5)

Total: 8 days with snow/sleet falling.

2022/2023 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

18/12 (-1), 06/03 (-6), 08/03 (-8), 09/03 (-6), 10/03 (-8), 11/03 (-5), 14/03 (-6)

Total: 7 days with snow/sleet falling.

2021/2022 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

26/11 (-5), 27/11 (-7), 28/11 (-6), 02/12 (-6), 06/01 (-5), 07/01 (-6), 06/02 (-5), 19/02 (-5), 24/02 (-7), 30/03 (-7), 31/03 (-8), 01/04 (-8)
Total: 12 days with snow/sleet falling.
Chunky Pea
24 September 2019 19:22:12

Originally Posted by: Quantum 



GEM has lorenzo still as a hurricane by 240h


 



Will probably push away north, but with that deep 500mb trough moving out of Canada, this could turn it into an explosive NE bound inclusion if it attacks this feature in time. 


Current Conditions
https://t.ly/MEYqg 


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DEW
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25 September 2019 06:50:19

All TS at time of typing. Jerry declining in mid-Atlantic, Karen forecast to do a curious loop with some models even suggesting development and movement westward towards the US, Lorenzo heading up towards the Azores, strengthening to hurricane and then you have a choice of a hit on the UK (GFS) or steaming on northwards (ECM)


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Chichester 12m asl
picturesareme
25 September 2019 22:04:11

Lorenzo showing nicely on the sat here 


 


https://en.sat24.com/en/ca/world


 

DEW
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26 September 2019 05:54:14

Much as yesterday. Jerry has disappeared from NHC charts but may just last enough to give Bermuda gales as it passes. All models think Karen will stall; specialised hurricane models such as SHIPS show it declining but some global models want to intensify it and send it in the direction of Cuba; Lorenzo becoming a powerful hurricane in mid-Atlantic with a chance of becoming the easternmost cat 4 on record.


https://www.wunderground.com/cat6/After-Puerto-Rico-and-Virgin-Islands-What-Next-Karen?cm_ven=cat6-widget


Given its size (350 miles dia) steady movement and direction, it will be interesting to see if Lorenzo can generate swells big enough to outrun the storm and powerful enough to reach the south coast. Just guessing, but such swells have turned up before without the storm responsible affecting the UK directly


https://www.surgewatch.org/events/1979-02-13/


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Quantum
26 September 2019 23:31:47

The bigger and stronger Lorenzo can get the more shielded it will be to wind shear so it will get further before transitioning.



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2023/2024 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):
29/11 (-6), 30/11 (-6), 02/12 (-5), 03/12 (-5), 04/12 (-3), 16/01 (-3), 18/01 (-8), 08/02 (-5)

Total: 8 days with snow/sleet falling.

2022/2023 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

18/12 (-1), 06/03 (-6), 08/03 (-8), 09/03 (-6), 10/03 (-8), 11/03 (-5), 14/03 (-6)

Total: 7 days with snow/sleet falling.

2021/2022 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

26/11 (-5), 27/11 (-7), 28/11 (-6), 02/12 (-6), 06/01 (-5), 07/01 (-6), 06/02 (-5), 19/02 (-5), 24/02 (-7), 30/03 (-7), 31/03 (-8), 01/04 (-8)
Total: 12 days with snow/sleet falling.
Lionel Hutz
27 September 2019 04:40:51

Originally Posted by: Quantum 


The bigger and stronger Lorenzo can get the more shielded it will be to wind shear so it will get further before transitioning.




That's looking pretty horrific for the Azores. Still looking like it will stay too far West to affect us, though. 


Lionel Hutz
Nr.Waterford , S E Ireland
68m ASL



DEW
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27 September 2019 05:56:39

Lorenzo now cat 4; just missed the record for furthest east cat $ formation which belongs to Julia in 2010. It's forecast to weaken before reaching the Azores, and the eye to pass just north of the islands, but close enough to do a lot of damage. ECM has its central pressure around 945-950mb 200 miles west of Ireland on Thursday.


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Chichester 12m asl
Lionel Hutz
27 September 2019 07:58:38

Originally Posted by: DEW 


Lorenzo now cat 4; just missed the record for furthest east cat $ formation which belongs to Julia in 2010. It's forecast to weaken before reaching the Azores, and the eye to pass just north of the islands, but close enough to do a lot of damage. ECM has its central pressure around 945-950mb 200 miles west of Ireland on Thursday.



200 miles is a little too close for comfort for my liking. At what point/when is Lorenzo forecast to go ex-tropical?


Lionel Hutz
Nr.Waterford , S E Ireland
68m ASL



The Beast from the East
27 September 2019 08:20:00

How many people live on the Azores? They must be used to windy weather though


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Quantum
27 September 2019 11:18:20

Originally Posted by: The Beast from the East 


How many people live on the Azores? They must be used to windy weather though



They do occasionally see TCs, its rare but not unheard of. I'd be suprised though if this isn't the strongest TC on record for them.


 


Twitter: @QuantumOverlord (general), @MedicaneWatch (medicane/TC stuff)
2023/2024 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):
29/11 (-6), 30/11 (-6), 02/12 (-5), 03/12 (-5), 04/12 (-3), 16/01 (-3), 18/01 (-8), 08/02 (-5)

Total: 8 days with snow/sleet falling.

2022/2023 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

18/12 (-1), 06/03 (-6), 08/03 (-8), 09/03 (-6), 10/03 (-8), 11/03 (-5), 14/03 (-6)

Total: 7 days with snow/sleet falling.

2021/2022 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

26/11 (-5), 27/11 (-7), 28/11 (-6), 02/12 (-6), 06/01 (-5), 07/01 (-6), 06/02 (-5), 19/02 (-5), 24/02 (-7), 30/03 (-7), 31/03 (-8), 01/04 (-8)
Total: 12 days with snow/sleet falling.
Quantum
27 September 2019 16:00:28

NOAAs latest report describes an extratropical transition underway by the time the storm gets to 45.2N but not complete. So we should expect the transition to complete at a similarly exceptional latitude to ophelia


 


Twitter: @QuantumOverlord (general), @MedicaneWatch (medicane/TC stuff)
2023/2024 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):
29/11 (-6), 30/11 (-6), 02/12 (-5), 03/12 (-5), 04/12 (-3), 16/01 (-3), 18/01 (-8), 08/02 (-5)

Total: 8 days with snow/sleet falling.

2022/2023 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

18/12 (-1), 06/03 (-6), 08/03 (-8), 09/03 (-6), 10/03 (-8), 11/03 (-5), 14/03 (-6)

Total: 7 days with snow/sleet falling.

2021/2022 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

26/11 (-5), 27/11 (-7), 28/11 (-6), 02/12 (-6), 06/01 (-5), 07/01 (-6), 06/02 (-5), 19/02 (-5), 24/02 (-7), 30/03 (-7), 31/03 (-8), 01/04 (-8)
Total: 12 days with snow/sleet falling.
idj20
27 September 2019 19:22:39

For this time next week, GFS and UKMO has the extratropical remnants of Lorenzo heading northwards, skimming harmlessly past the west of the UK in doing so before being absorbed into an Atlantic low, but ECM and GEM are showing it heading northwards almost directly towards the UK but as a well decayed remnant. 

So it looks like needing a couple more days for things to be resolved, will GFS stick to their guns or ECM end up being the correct outcome? Either or, you can bet your bottom dollar that the newspaper media will w*nk themselves silly over it.


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