ARTzeman
17 July 2019 10:14:25

Met Office Hadley     16.8c.       Anomaly      0.9c. Provisional to 16th.


Metcheck                  16.70c      Anomaly      0.23c


Netweather               17.27c      Anomaly      0.78c


Mean of my 10 stations 17.65c  Difference    -0.4c.  






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Stormchaser
17 July 2019 20:05:42

Model madness with next week... ECM 00z was good for a CET in the high 17s to low 18s by 26th, FV3 similar with a final CET in the mid to high 18s, but the ECM 12z much fresher after Tue with the CET struggling to keep itself in the 17s!


If we were making our CET estimations now, we'd still be prone to some major mistakes!


 


Of course this is all academic to me now; after June's terrible act (which I will never forgive), there's little joy left for me here beyond examining what extreme solutions might do to the CET out of pure, slightly deranged interest .


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Col
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17 July 2019 20:38:58

Originally Posted by: Stormchaser 


Model madness with next week... ECM 00z was good for a CET in the high 17s to low 18s by 26th, FV3 similar with a final CET in the mid to high 18s, but the ECM 12z much fresher after Tue with the CET struggling to keep itself in the 17s!


If we were making our CET estimations now, we'd still be prone to some major mistakes!


 


Of course this is all academic to me now; after June's terrible act (which I will never forgive), there's little joy left for me here beyond examining what extreme solutions might do to the CET out of pure, slightly deranged interest .



Well I've gone for 17.42C. And in the last couple of days with all this talk of heatwaves this is the first time this month that I've seriously thought I might be rather too low!


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18 July 2019 03:12:08

Originally Posted by: Col 


Well I've gone for 17.42C. And in the last couple of days with all this talk of heatwaves this is the first time this month that I've seriously thought I might be rather too low!


Same here!  Although unlike you, I haven’t anything to lose as I’m holding the table up from near the bottom.  I’m never in the lead but I don’t think I’ve ever been this far down!  


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ARTzeman
18 July 2019 10:24:27

Met Office Hadley        16.9c        Anomaly       0.9c. Provisional to 17th.


Metcheck                     16.78c      Anomaly       0.34c


Netweather                  17.36        Anomaly       0.87c


Mean of my 10 stations     17.75c    Difference    0.06c.






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Hungry Tiger
19 July 2019 00:41:17

I've ballsed up badly this month having gone for 16.5C. loking more like 18.5C at this rate.


 


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ARTzeman
19 July 2019 09:51:52

Met Office Hadley            16.9c.         Anomaly         1.0c. Provisional to 18th.


Metcheck                         16.75c        Anomaly          0.29c


Netweather                      17.38c        Anomaly          0.88c.


Mean of my 10 stations     17.7c.        Anomaly          0.01c.


  






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Stormchaser
19 July 2019 11:47:09

Some staggering model runs cropping up here and there.


The latest operational example being the FV3 06z. The hottest so far when excluding ensembles.


So JFF... my rough CET estimate rockets all the way into the high 18s as of 29th. For a month that's had so little notable heat prior to the final 10 days, that would be quite some feat.



00z from the same model kept the CET estimate over a degree lower. All we can do is shrug and wonder!


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Bertwhistle
19 July 2019 15:37:03

Guessing we'll cross the 17 threshold Sunday or Monday. Should step up a notch at a time for a few days thereafter.


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Global Warming
20 July 2019 09:05:16

Hadley provisional CET is running slightly more than 0.5C above my estimate this month. So a very large downward adjustment is expected this month. 


Currently my CET estimate is 16.27C up to yesterday. Not expecting to break the 17C mark until Wednesday. 


Latest estimate for the final July CET is 17.70C which is exactly 1C above the 1981-2010 mean. Could be higher depending on how long the heat sticks around at the end of next week.


Latest output suggests three CET date records this week are likely on Tuesday to Thursday. Highest figure of 24.3C on Wednesday. For comparison the highest CET mean ever recorded in July was 24.7C on 4 July 1976.


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ARTzeman
20 July 2019 10:14:47

Met Office Hadley            16.8c.        Anomaly      0.9c   Provisional to19th.


Metcheck                         16.75c        Anomaly     0.28c


Netweather                      17.32c        Anomaly     0.83c


Mean of my 10 stations 17.78c  Difference      0.89c.                   






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Bertwhistle
20 July 2019 11:15:16

Originally Posted by: Global Warming 


Hadley provisional CET is running slightly more than 0.5C above my estimate this month. So a very large downward adjustment is expected this month. 


Currently my CET estimate is 16.27C up to yesterday. Not expecting to break the 17C mark until Wednesday. 


Latest estimate for the final July CET is 17.70C which is exactly 1C above the 1981-2010 mean. Could be higher depending on how long the heat sticks around at the end of next week.


Latest output suggests three CET date records this week are likely on Tuesday to Thursday. Highest figure of 24.3C on Wednesday. For comparison the highest CET mean ever recorded in July was 24.7C on 4 July 1976.


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Thanks GW- some interesting days ahead.


Think the CET average for July is 16.0? Which would put your (very pleasing) estimate at +1.7 rather than +1.


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Global Warming
20 July 2019 11:50:48

Originally Posted by: Bertwhistle 


 


Thanks GW- some interesting days ahead.


Think the CET average for July is 16.0? Which would put your (very pleasing) estimate at +1.7 rather than +1.



16.0C is the 1961-1990 average.


16.7C is the 1981-2010 average which is the figure I use.

Bertwhistle
20 July 2019 12:13:10

Originally Posted by: Global Warming 


 


16.0C is the 1961-1990 average.


16.7C is the 1981-2010 average which is the figure I use.



Thank you for clarifying that. 


I think I'll stick with the 61-90 for my own uses, as this is still quoted as the standard period of reference by the WMO. Those are also the averages listed on the Hadley dataset so I just find it easier to refer to.


In the meantime, if your estimate is good I might actually get close for once!


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20 July 2019 12:41:50
Still don’t understand why the Met Office can’t adjust the preliminary numbers as they go along given how easy it seems to be to do.
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Gavin P
20 July 2019 13:17:23

Originally Posted by: Global Warming 


Hadley provisional CET is running slightly more than 0.5C above my estimate this month. So a very large downward adjustment is expected this month. 


Currently my CET estimate is 16.27C up to yesterday. Not expecting to break the 17C mark until Wednesday. 


Latest estimate for the final July CET is 17.70C which is exactly 1C above the 1981-2010 mean. Could be higher depending on how long the heat sticks around at the end of next week.


Latest output suggests three CET date records this week are likely on Tuesday to Thursday. Highest figure of 24.3C on Wednesday. For comparison the highest CET mean ever recorded in July was 24.7C on 4 July 1976.


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Thanks GW! A 17C CET July is bang in line with the expectations from my Summer forecast (after a relatively cool and unsettled June)


Can we get August to 18C - That's the question on which my Summer forecast soars... Or sinks! 


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Global Warming
20 July 2019 13:42:00

Here are the date records from Tuesday of this week as we may have a chance of breaking some of these. Many of them were only set last year!


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The 1900 records on the 24rd and 25th look especially vulnerable

ARTzeman
21 July 2019 11:20:49

Met Office Hadley            16.9c.    Anomaly    0.9c Provisional to   20th.


Metcheck                         16.76c   Anomaly    0.29c


Netweather                      17.36c   Anomaly    0.87c.


Mean of my 10 stations   17.7c  Difference   0.01c.         






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Saint Snow
22 July 2019 08:35:37

Originally Posted by: Global Warming 


Latest estimate for the final July CET is 17.70C which is exactly 1C above the 1981-2010 mean. Could be higher depending on how long the heat sticks around at the end of next week.



 


I'd take that



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ARTzeman
22 July 2019 09:54:30

Met Office Hadley         16.9c.        Anomaly      1.0c. Provisional to 21st.


Metcheck                      16.86c       Anomaly      0.39c


Netweather                   17.39c       Anomaly      0.39c.


Men of my 10 stations    17.75c  Difference    0.06c  Using a  6 - year average. 






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