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SC I love the global links in the weather that you fix in to the bigger picture; and even the NA references give me a clearer view of what's going on. Excellent analysis. |
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Joined: 28/10/2008(UTC) Posts: 23,891   Location: Market Warsop, Nottinghamshire, East Midlands
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Originally Posted by: Bertwhistle  SC I love the global links in the weather that you fix in to the bigger picture; and even the NA references give me a clearer view of what's going on. Excellent analysis. Yes, I agree! It’s great to put some reasoning and explanation behind our weather, even though I don’t understand much of it!   I’ve said this before but it’s worth saying again, SC and GW both make truly excellent contributions to this thread, in different but complimentary ways! We’re lucky to have them both!  |
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Joined: 14/07/2012(UTC) Posts: 30,201  Location: Peasedown St John. N.E. Sommerset
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Met Office Hadley 13.0c Anomaly -0.8c. Provisional to 17th. Metcheck 13.28c Anomaly -0.86c. Netweather 13.67c Anomaly -0.44c Mean of my 10 stations 13.49c Anomaly -1.84c. |
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Originally Posted by: Caz  Yes, I agree! It’s great to put some reasoning and explanation behind our weather, even though I don’t understand much of it!   I’ve said this before but it’s worth saying again, SC and GW both make truly excellent contributions to this thread, in different but complimentary ways! We’re lucky to have them both!  I would agree with this wholeheartedly; one of the best threads on TWO (opinion). |
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Joined: 14/07/2012(UTC) Posts: 30,201  Location: Peasedown St John. N.E. Sommerset
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Met Office Hadley 13.1c. Anomaly -0.7c. Provisional to 18th. Metcheck 13.36c Anomaly -0.78c Netweather 13.74c Anomaly -0.37c mean of my 10 stations 13.7c. Difference -1.63c. |
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Joined: 24/10/2008(UTC) Posts: 12,076  Location: West Hants
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Thanks for all of the kind compliments, it's always uplifting to see my thoughts and analysis received so positively . Some, well, interesting model runs have been rolling out since I made that last post. Especially the past couple of sets! However... here's some sobering facts:
Even with things falling into place for such a big draw of heat as the 00z ECM shows, the CET recovery only makes it as far as the LTA as of 28th. The less optimal GFS (surface flow stays off the North Sea until right before the breakdown, keeping a lid on temps) only just makes it into the 14s as of that date. On the other hand, that'd be one heck of a recovery after such an unseasonably cool majority of the month. Rarely do these lows developing west of Iberia behave themselves, though. It's not going to take much of an adjustment east to keep the heat intrusion relatively small, or north to break things down more quickly. Then again, we did very well in late Feb (and then some!), and the FV3 06z, rolling out as I type this, is looking better-aligned for the heat draw than the 00z did, as of Monday 22nd. By Friday, we should have a pretty good idea which way this is going to go. It's going to be a tense modelling ride! |
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Joined: 11/04/2006(UTC) Posts: 25,808 Location: South Cambridgeshire
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Originally Posted by: Stormchaser  Thanks for all of the kind compliments, it's always uplifting to see my thoughts and analysis received so positively . Some, well, interesting model runs have been rolling out since I made that last post. Especially the past couple of sets! However... here's some sobering facts:
Even with things falling into place for such a big draw of heat as the 00z ECM shows, the CET recovery only makes it as far as the LTA as of 28th. The less optimal GFS (surface flow stays off the North Sea until right before the breakdown, keeping a lid on temps) only just makes it into the 14s as of that date. On the other hand, that'd be one heck of a recovery after such an unseasonably cool majority of the month. Rarely do these lows developing west of Iberia behave themselves, though. It's not going to take much of an adjustment east to keep the heat intrusion relatively small, or north to break things down more quickly. Then again, we did very well in late Feb (and then some!), and the FV3 06z, rolling out as I type this, is looking better-aligned for the heat draw than the 00z did, as of Monday 22nd. By Friday, we should have a pretty good idea which way this is going to go. It's going to be a tense modelling ride! Nice post there James and well described as well.    |
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Joined: 01/01/2016(UTC) Posts: 238   Location: Aylesbury, Bucks
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I remember something similar in June 2011 when the majority of the month was thoroughly cool wet and miserable but there was then an extreme heatwave in the final week. We still finished below average even though 33c was touched in London.
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Joined: 14/07/2012(UTC) Posts: 30,201  Location: Peasedown St John. N.E. Sommerset
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Met Office Hadley 13.3c. Anomaly -0.6c. Provisional to 19th. Metcheck 13.42c Anomaly -0.72c Netweather 13.42c Anomaly -0.29c. Mean of my 10 stations 13.69c Difference -1.64c. |
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Joined: 24/10/2008(UTC) Posts: 12,076  Location: West Hants
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Well, all these toasty model runs are really starting to raise eyebrows. Even the so far reluctant UKMO model gets the 20*C 850 hPa temps in play by noon Wed, even if it is only across the far SE at that time. So just for fun - if the heat sticks around as long as the FV3 12z has it doing, then even using its raw numbers which could well be underplaying the maximums by 1-3*C, the CET estimate performs an almighty climb to finish at 14.8*C. That really would be a novelty, recording a slightly above average month after so much cool and rainy weather. For even more fun - a fair few EPS members keep the heat around a day or two longer than that . Now we're getting silly though; best to focus on the opening stages for now, and keep a close watch for convergence lines as they threaten some nasty thunderstorms with max temps not faring so well. |
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Joined: 28/10/2008(UTC) Posts: 23,891   Location: Market Warsop, Nottinghamshire, East Midlands
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Originally Posted by: Stormchaser  Well, all these toasty model runs are really starting to raise eyebrows. Even the so far reluctant UKMO model gets the 20*C 850 hPa temps in play by noon Wed, even if it is only across the far SE at that time. So just for fun - if the heat sticks around as long as the FV3 12z has it doing, then even using its raw numbers which could well be underplaying the maximums by 1-3*C, the CET estimate performs an almighty climb to finish at 14.8*C. That really would be a novelty, recording a slightly above average month after so much cool and rainy weather. For even more fun - a fair few EPS members keep the heat around a day or two longer than that . Now we're getting silly though; best to focus on the opening stages for now, and keep a close watch for convergence lines as they threaten some nasty thunderstorms with max temps not faring so well. Hmm! Could we go for the ‘even more fun’ option please! My guess this month is 15.5c and I’m in desperately need of points!  Yes, getting above average is a tall order but do-able if the hot models have it right and providing the heat gets to all three stations! |
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Joined: 24/10/2008(UTC) Posts: 12,076  Location: West Hants
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Originally Posted by: Caz  Hmm! Could we go for the ‘even more fun’ option please! My guess this month is 15.5c and I’m in desperately need of points!  Yes, getting above average is a tall order but do-able if the hot models have it right and providing the heat gets to all three stations! 
I think ECM heard your plea Caz - even the raw data with the usual underestimation (yes, ECM has this habit too) gives me a final CET estimate of 14.9*C! I've mixed feelings about that though, as the heat & humidity combination Thu-Sat looks a bit dangerous (around 70% relative humidity by day with maximums as high as the mid-30s, even more humid by night, with minimums widely high teens, locally low 20s). |
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Joined: 28/10/2008(UTC) Posts: 23,891   Location: Market Warsop, Nottinghamshire, East Midlands
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Originally Posted by: Stormchaser  
I think ECM heard your plea Caz - even the raw data with the usual underestimation (yes, ECM has this habit too) gives me a final CET estimate of 14.9*C! I've mixed feelings about that though, as the heat & humidity combination Thu-Sat looks a bit dangerous (around 70% relative humidity by day with maximums as high as the mid-30s, even more humid by night, with minimums widely high teens, locally low 20s).  Oh! Sleepless nights incoming! |
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Joined: 07/10/2006(UTC) Posts: 6,714  Location: Chineham, Basingstoke
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One more below average day before things start to warm up. Latest estimate from my calculations is for the CET to finish at 14.57C. That is potentially quite conservative. If we get a direct hit from the plume then something closer to 15C is likely. But bear in mind the hottest temperatures are likely to be south of the CET area. As of today my calculations have the CET at exactly 13.00C. Currently more than 1C below average. But it now looks like we may finish just slightly above average. |
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Joined: 24/10/2008(UTC) Posts: 12,076  Location: West Hants
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Thanks for the update GW  Interesting divergence of the models this morning. All are still bringing in a big blast of heat, but now FV3 is going for a more direct import from the south as soon as Wed, with high 20s to low 30s across the CET region, while ECM keeps a flow off the North Sea going until late Thu which keeps the maximums down to mid-20s at most for the CET region, before they rocket into the high 20s to low 30s for Friday, and then it all implodes on Saturday. These looks to be within opposite ends of the range; FV3 among the hottest CET outcomes and ECM among the least. UKMO sits at halfway house for 00z Wed, but by 00z Thu is much more like FV3. Meanwhile GEM is more like ECM. So no clear majority here - but perhaps a slight lean toward FV3 over ECM. |
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Homeland: Rural Mid-West Hants nearly 10 miles S of Salisbury (near Fordingbridge). More insights: https://twitter.com/peacockreports 2021's Homeland Extremes: T-Max: 30.4°C 21st Jul | T-Min: -6.8°C New Years Day! | Wettest Day: 34.1mm 2nd Oct | Ice Days: 2 (27th Jan & 8th Feb) Keep Calm and Forecast On |
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Joined: 14/07/2012(UTC) Posts: 30,201  Location: Peasedown St John. N.E. Sommerset
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Met Office Hadley 13.3c. Anomaly -0.6c. Provisional to 20th. Metcheck 13.42c Anomaly -0.73c Netweather 13.85c Anomaly -0.26c Mean of my 10 13.85c. Difference -1.75c. |
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11.7C (-1.2C) here as of today, creeping up through the final week no doubt. |
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Joined: 14/07/2012(UTC) Posts: 30,201  Location: Peasedown St John. N.E. Sommerset
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Met Office Hadley 13.3c. Anomaly -0.7c. Provisional to 21st. Metcheck 13.49c Anomaly -0.86c Netweather 13.88c Anomaly -0.22c Mean of my 10 stations 13.75c Anomaly -1.58c. |
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Joined: 20/11/2015(UTC) Posts: 6,865 Location: Central Southern England
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GW any updates on your predictions for end-month, given the potential for some very warm nights? Looks like most of the heat will be in Southern areas, so some CET stations might not get such high temps. There seems a lot of uncertainty in the models even at close range about surface temps, although they all seem agreed on 850s etc. |
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Joined: 07/10/2006(UTC) Posts: 6,714  Location: Chineham, Basingstoke
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Originally Posted by: Bertwhistle  GW any updates on your predictions for end-month, given the potential for some very warm nights? Looks like most of the heat will be in Southern areas, so some CET stations might not get such high temps. There seems a lot of uncertainty in the models even at close range about surface temps, although they all seem agreed on 850s etc. Massive uncertainty so any estimate is fairly meaningless at the moment. The raw output I am looking at (which is based I think on the 0z ECM) is very uninspiring if you are after heat. The CET estimate is definitely lower than it was a couple of days ago, even when you take into account that the ECM has the heat peaking as late as Saturday. The nights are not especially warm at all for the time of year either. If the models are to be believed I am not even sure this week can reasonably be classified as a heatwave in the UK, even in south. We might just squeeze a 30C near London which is not unusual for this time of year. Most places around 25-27C for perhaps 5 days which is very warm but not what I would class as a heatwave. Current CET estimate is 14.46C for June but this is subject to potentially wild variations in the next few days. |
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