johncs2016
Saturday, June 8, 2019 1:16:27 PM

My tactic of going for a really warm value hasn't worked for me recently, so I have gone for a much cooler value this time.

Given the manner in which this month is panning out at the moment though, I have a feeling that even my latest much cooler guess might be too high this time.

I know that this isn't the moaning thread, but it is just like the thing that this is happening just now during this complete non-event which is known as our "summer", otherwise I'm sure that everything would probably be coming out much warmer than what it is just now, especially if we were in our winter just now.

 


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Saturday, June 8, 2019 4:45:33 PM

Originally Posted by: Col 

 

I'm not sure what the problem is here. You publish analysis that suggests the CET may be this that or the other, then complain when people take that advice and post their predictions accordingly??

Anyhow from what I recall of the predictions so far this year they have been pretty wide. June does look pretty tight though but I suspect that's just a one off. You will notice that I'm seriously at the bottom of the pile there, no just going with the averages for me!

Still, it's your competition and you can run it how you want. However if this gets too 'heavy' and descends into arguments over rules then I'm out of here, can't be arsed with all that.

Col, I can assure you that this thread never descends into arguments.  It’s a fun and light hearted competition with friendly banter. GW has always run it in a fair manner and puts a lot of time and effort into it. I am more than happy to go along with any rule changes he suggests as I trust him to do what’s best. 


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Gusty
Saturday, June 8, 2019 7:40:33 PM

Originally Posted by: Col 

Still, it's your competition and you can run it how you want. However if this gets too 'heavy' and descends into arguments over rules then I'm out of here, can't be arsed with all that.

You'd be cutting your nose off to spite your face if you did that Col. You're in a good position.

I support the changes GW. A good move IMO 


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Darren S
Saturday, June 8, 2019 7:49:25 PM

I support GW's rule change too. To be honest I thought it a bit strange that he was effectively almost recommending what your guess should be; I think it's better if everyone figures it out themselves, whether that be by pattern matching, model watching or finger in the air! 


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Bertwhistle
Saturday, June 8, 2019 7:57:23 PM

Totally agree with all the above comments. Actually, I don't really mind what GW's rules are- I'll play by them because it's a really enjoyable  part of each month and it doesn't cost me a short cross penny. And Col- you're good at this- lead us on!


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Sunday, June 9, 2019 5:30:36 AM
I take GWs notes as guidance that's all. Just information in order to help you pick a figure. Let's face it beyond 1-2 weeks out you're pretty much on your own anyway. A lot of work must go into producing all that and I'm sure it is appreciated so it will be a shame to see it go.
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Bertwhistle
Sunday, June 9, 2019 8:25:40 AM

Some recovery expected after next weekend, with 3 of the 4 CET stations expecting average daily temps around 17 and even Squires Gate expecting around 16. Would need to be maintained beyond there to offset the cooler stuff in the week ahead by very much. Love to hear any predictions based on the current outputs for where the CET might stand around,say, two weeks from now. Fools errand to think it would be accurate at that range I know, but someone might be willing to stick out their neck to within half a degree...a degree? If it's about 14 now, I think by then we'll still only have made it to about 14.3. 


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Sunday, June 9, 2019 9:46:34 AM

Originally Posted by: Col 

I take GWs notes as guidance that's all. Just information in order to help you pick a figure. Let's face it beyond 1-2 weeks out you're pretty much on your own anyway. A lot of work must go into producing all that and I'm sure it is appreciated so it will be a shame to see it go.

I always take into account the averages of previous years and have to admit I’d be totally lost without that information.  I also like the projected CET charts that GW provides throughout the month and are never far off the mark.

You’re right though, it must take a lot of time and effort to produce all the information GW provides and whether people use it or not, I’m sure it is very much appreciated by all.  It is after all, just a forecast according to the MO and depends on that being correct at the time.  But, maybe omitting it is a way of reducing the enormous workload that must go into this thread.  

As others have said, you’re good at this!  

 


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Sunday, June 9, 2019 10:03:06 AM

Met Office Hadley        13.8c.       Anomaly       0.5c. Provisional to 8th.

Metcheck                     13.89c       Anomaly      -0.26c

Netweather                  14.47c       Anomaly      0.38c

Mean of My 10 Watched Stations    14.08c.   Difference   -1.25c. 




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Sunday, June 9, 2019 4:07:16 PM

Originally Posted by: Caz 

I always take into account the averages of previous years and have to admit I’d be totally lost without that information.  I also like the projected CET charts that GW provides throughout the month and are never far off the mark.

You’re right though, it must take a lot of time and effort to produce all the information GW provides and whether people use it or not, I’m sure it is very much appreciated by all.  It is after all, just a forecast according to the MO and depends on that being correct at the time.  But, maybe omitting it is a way of reducing the enormous workload that must go into this thread.  

As others have said, you’re good at this!  

 

Good, or just got lucky? I have actually made CET predictions since August last year and none of those were particularly good. It was quite fortuitous that I hit form in January as joint winner.

That said it's looking good for me at the moment for June. I went for one of the lowest predictions at 14.4C and we are well below that now. With a lot more cool weather on the way even much warmer weather in the last week (which needs to happen because I am on holiday then) probably won't bring the average up too much.


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Whether Idle
Sunday, June 9, 2019 4:37:16 PM

Re Rule Changes:

 

A great move GW.  This will make things much more interesting and restore "the edge", which any truly great competition requires. 

Thanks from me.


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Sunday, June 9, 2019 4:53:12 PM

Originally Posted by: Col 

 

Good, or just got lucky? I have actually made CET predictions since August last year and none of those were particularly good. It was quite fortuitous that I hit form in January as joint winner.

That said it's looking good for me at the moment for June. I went for one of the lowest predictions at 14.4C and we are well below that now. With a lot more cool weather on the way even much warmer weather in the last week (which needs to happen because I am on holiday then) probably won't bring the average up too much.

I seem to remember coming top of the pile one January and I think that was as joint leader.  In my case that was sheer luck and it didn’t last long!  Now I’d be happy to be in the top half!  

Long may yours last!  


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ARTzeman
Monday, June 10, 2019 11:50:27 AM

Met Office Hadley          13.7c.      Anomaly     0.2c. Provisional to 9th.

Metcheck                       13.81c     Anomaly     -0.34c

Netweather                    14.31c     Anomaly    0.2c.

My 10 stations                13.93c.    Difference  -1.4c. 

  




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Stormchaser
Tuesday, June 11, 2019 11:08:51 AM

ECM and GFS have trended apart for Mon-Thu next week; ECM really turning up the thermostat while GFS keeps things fresh.

Loose CET estimates to 20th are 13.7*C using raw ECM but just 13.0*C using raw GFS.

Following that up with the seasonably warm GFS 00z days 11-16 gives an estimate to 26th of 14.4*C when appended to the ECM and 13.9*C when it's all GFS. Not at the quality of GW's estimates, mind!

 

Based on the tropical cycle, though, I can see reasons to expect higher temps in the 11-16 day range - but without as much stability to the high pressure, sadly (unless you enjoy storms even when you don't need the rain; could be some destabilising heat plume situations).

Mid-14s to mid-15s seems the most probable range for the final CET unless the tropical cycle stops short, which has been seen to happen on a couple of occasions in the past few years!


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Tuesday, June 11, 2019 12:30:35 PM

Met Office Hadley          13.4c.       Anomaly     -0.1c. Provisional to 10th.

Metcheck                       13.53c       Anomaly      -0.1c

Netweather                    14.0c         Anomaly      -0.11c

My 10 Stations              13.92c.     Anomaly       -1.41c.  




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johncs2016
Tuesday, June 11, 2019 2:55:48 PM

Originally Posted by: ARTzeman 

Met Office Hadley          13.4c.       Anomaly     -0.1c. Provisional to 10th.

Metcheck                       13.53c       Anomaly      -0.1c

Netweather                    14.0c         Anomaly      -0.11c

My 10 Stations              12.92c.     Anomaly       -2.41c.  

Yet more evidence here, of the fact that we're not exactly having much of a "summer" at the moment.

For me, one of the components which make up a decent summer is that it should be warmer than average overall, just as it was at this time last year when the temperature was getting up to above 30°C even in large parts of Scotland.

This means that it starts going colder than average as it has now just done, that then tells us that we're not having much of a summer.

Of course, the very time when we actually want it to be colder than average is during the winter (at least, from the perspective of those cold weather lovers who like to see a lot of snow during the winter), yet that is just something which never seems to happen these days at that particular time of the year.

 


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Bertwhistle
Tuesday, June 11, 2019 5:55:05 PM

A note of encouragement: first 10 days of June 1975, average CET: 13.67

First ten days of 1995, 12.40 (and as far as 15th only 12.12!)

First 10 days of June 1990 12.34 (and only 12.21 to 15th).

Best of all, first 10 days of 1989 only 10.35.

Now, those of you who know these Junes and their following summers will understand all too well how not only summer can turn around, but June itself too. June 1975 is the odd one out here, as it had already switched paradigm by 10th. But 1989 and 1990 in particular are worthy of note- they kept getting colder to mid month. 

Apart from 1990 these Junes ended comfortably above 14. Of greater interest were the summers generally, with August starting hot.


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springsunshine
Tuesday, June 11, 2019 6:04:18 PM

Originally Posted by: johncs2016 

 

Yet more evidence here, of the fact that we're not exactly having much of a "summer" at the moment.

For me, one of the components which make up a decent summer is that it should be warmer than average overall, just as it was at this time last year when the temperature was getting up to above 30°C even in large parts of Scotland.

This means that it starts going colder than average as it has now just done, that then tells us that we're not having much of a summer.

Of course, the very time when we actually want it to be colder than average is during the winter (at least, from the perspective of those cold weather lovers who like to see a lot of snow during the winter), yet that is just something which never seems to happen these days at that particular time of the year.

 

Agree with your post there Johncs.Down here it has been ridiculously cold for June,at the moment it is just 10c ,we seem to have gone from spring to autumn. What a difference a year makes!! The omens don1t look good and this `summer` could very well be a genuinely cold one something similar to 2011.

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Tuesday, June 11, 2019 6:06:00 PM

Sounds good to me Bertie. We needed this rain here as the garden really was parched, so although I’m not particularly enjoying it, I’m pleased we have it.  It isn’t quite summer yet according to the calendar.  Anyway, I think we’re due a good August! 


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Tuesday, June 11, 2019 6:08:03 PM

Originally Posted by: Bertwhistle 

A note of encouragement: first 10 days of June 1975, average CET: 13.67

First ten days of 1995, 12.40 (and as far as 15th only 12.12!)

First 10 days of June 1990 12.34 (and only 12.21 to 15th).

Best of all, first 10 days of 1989 only 10.35.

Now, those of you who know these Junes and their following summers will understand all too well how not only summer can turn around, but June itself too. June 1975 is the odd one out here, as it had already switched paradigm by 10th. But 1989 and 1990 in particular are worthy of note- they kept getting colder to mid month. 

Apart from 1990 these Junes ended comfortably above 14. Of greater interest were the summers generally, with August starting hot.

Thank you for that heart warming reassurance. I needed that.


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