Arcus
10 December 2018 19:54:44

Originally Posted by: Gandalf The White 


 


His comment was referring to the coming battle between the mild air to the west and cold air to the east; the thinking has shifted today towards the cold air winning out in the initial clashes but he said the milder weather would push in later in the weekend.


 



Yes it was referring to the mild/cold battleground being won by the colder air mid-week - that was my point in relation to the BBC text forecasts that had the milder air winning out by Thursday/Friday.


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Gavin D
10 December 2018 19:55:17
Next week

Low pressure dominates
Wet and windy at times
Fairly mild

https://www.bbc.co.uk/weather/feeds/46515390 
Gandalf The White
10 December 2018 20:09:38

Originally Posted by: Gavin D 

Next week

Low pressure dominates
Wet and windy at times
Fairly mild

https://www.bbc.co.uk/weather/feeds/46515390


That conflicts with the Met Office forecast, which says changeable with temperatures around normal.


Nothing in the model output suggests mild weather next week.


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David M Porter
10 December 2018 20:18:00

Originally Posted by: Gandalf The White 


That conflicts with the Met Office forecast, which says changeable with temperatures around normal.


Nothing in the model output suggests mild weather next week.



Looks as though the thoughts of those at Meteogroup are somewhat at odds with those of the MetO.


I agree with you final sentence Peter- there doesn't appear to be anything notably mild according to the current output that we can see. If the model runs verify as currently indicated, I would imagine that temperatures generally would be mostly around average as per the thoughts of the MetO.


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Gooner
10 December 2018 21:58:55

N Miller


Next week Atlantic dominated 


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doctormog
10 December 2018 22:02:01

Originally Posted by: Gooner 


N Miller


Next week Atlantic dominated 



Yes as things stand with current model output that looks like the most likely outcome.


Gooner
10 December 2018 22:03:42

Originally Posted by: doctormog 


 


Yes as things stand with current model output that looks like the most likely outcome.



IMO a seasonal Xmas looks unlikely ……………...down here anyway 


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doctormog
10 December 2018 22:06:47

Originally Posted by: Gooner 


 


IMO a seasonal Xmas looks unlikely ……………...down here anyway 



I’d be surprised if any proper forecast expressed any level of confidence at that range. Next week looks unsettled, beyond that who knows.


Gooner
10 December 2018 22:10:58

Originally Posted by: doctormog 


 


I’d be surprised if any proper forecast expressed any level of confidence at that range. Next week looks unsettled, beyond that who knows.



And Xmas is just a few days after, a dramatic change in what we are viewing would have to appear 


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Gavin D
11 December 2018 12:27:22
Met office

UK Outlook for Sunday 16 Dec 2018 to Tuesday 25 Dec 2018:

The middle of the month is likely to remain changeable with a mix of blustery showers and longer spells of rain, and a risk of severe gales at times. Temperatures however will return to near normal for the time of year, with the south and west becoming rather mild at times, although some colder air may move into the north at times to give the risk of some hill snow. Heading into the Christmas week and the most likely scenario is for a continuation of the changeable theme, with some further spells of wind and rain, but interspersed by some brighter but showery weather. Temperatures on the whole look likely to remain around normal, although turning briefly mild in any wet and windy spells, but cooler in any drier interludes.

UK Outlook for Wednesday 26 Dec 2018 to Wednesday 9 Jan 2019:

The end of 2018 is likely to remain fairly changeable with showers or longer spells of rain, possibly wintry over higher ground. Temperatures look likely to be around normal for the time of year. However, as we head into the New Year, there is the chance of high pressure becoming established close to the UK. This would bring drier and colder weather, but also an increasing chance of some snow showers and nighttime frosts.

https://www.metoffice.gov.uk/public/weather/forecast 
Ally Pally Snowman
11 December 2018 12:45:01

Maybe the first hints of the SSW taking effect.


" This would bring drier and colder weather, but also an increasing chance of some snow showers and nighttime frosts."

Good update!


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Gooner
11 December 2018 15:00:48

Something to keep an eye on 


Remember anything after T120 is really Just For Fun



Marcus
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Rob K
11 December 2018 15:13:00

Latest tweet from the Met Office - two scenarios for the weekend, but both with the risk of snow:

https://twitter.com/metoffice/status/1072508394228068352


 




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Whiteout
11 December 2018 15:23:07

Originally Posted by: Rob K 


Latest tweet from the Met Office - two scenarios for the weekend, but both with the risk of snow:

https://twitter.com/metoffice/status/1072508394228068352


 





Interesting, thanks Rob.


Good longer range forecast too, lots to be hopeful about 


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Gavin D
11 December 2018 19:51:42
Next week

Unsettled
Spells of wet and windy weather
Fairly mild

https://www.bbc.co.uk/weather/feeds/46532033 
tallyho_83
11 December 2018 19:52:40
The Met Office Update has been discussed on GavsWeather Videos - I'll share this here below:
Around 22:40 you'll see..? Definitely looking very interesting!?



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Gavin D
12 December 2018 10:52:58

BBC monthly outlook


Summary


December is expected close out unsettled



Wednesday 12 December—Sunday 16 December


Chilly then wet and windy, perhaps with snow.


Wednesday will be a cool day but most central and eastern areas of the UK will be under the influence of high pressure, so it should be a dry day. The west will be cloudier and there will be some outbreaks of rain for parts of Wales and South West England, perhaps also affecting Northern Ireland and Western Scotland. There will be little change to this pattern to end the working week, although western areas should be drier on Thursday and Friday than on Wednesday. It will be colder in all areas with Thursday night looking cold with the chance of a fairly widespread frost. After a relatively settled week we will see a change with more of an Atlantic influence on our weather by the end of the weekend. The transition from one type of weather to the other does look messy.


Whilst we are confident that an Atlantic low pressure system will push rain across the UK on Friday night and during Saturday, the time of arrival of the rain is proving tricky to pin down.  It does look likely that most parts of the country will see some rain before the end of Saturday. As this rain pushes across the country it will meet cold air and there will be a chance of snow. Again, the details are proving elusive, but it is most likely that high ground in the north of the UK will see snow, whilst lower lying sites in the south will more likely see rain. One other point to note is that Saturday looks to be a very windy day for many areas of the country.  Sunday should be brighter and less windy but with showers and rain in some areas. It will feel milder than previous days.




Monday 17 December—Sunday 23 December


Unsettled but mild for the time of year.


The run up to Christmas looks likely to be unsettled but relatively mild. The main driver of the weather will be a low pressure system or systems, which are expected to be centred to the north-west of the UK and Ireland throughout the week. We expect showers and bands of rain to push eastwards across the UK with most areas seeing at least some rain, but with the west generally wettest. It may also become windy at times, again with western areas probably most prone to seeing the windiest weather. 



Winds will be broadly from the south-west which means that we will have relatively mild air across the country for much of the week. Temperatures are expected to be above normal for mid-December and there is a reduced risk of overnight frosts. The above normal temperatures also mean that any snow is likely to be limited to the Scottish mountains.




Monday 24 December—Sunday 6 January


Staying mild with some very wet and windy days.


The most case is that we won't see much change in the weather for the Christmas period. Broadly speaking, the weather is most likely to remain milder than normal for the time of year although temperatures should be nearer to normal than in the run up to Christmas. There will be a chance of showers and longer spells of rain and it could be cold enough in the north of the UK for there to be the chance of some snow, but this will mainly be on high ground in Scotland.


A white Christmas looks pretty unlikely for most parts of the UK. Looking to the start of 2019, we still see low pressure close to the UK, so further unsettled weather is likely. However, there are signs that high pressure will start to build across the Scandinavia and the north-east of Europe. If this happens then there will be a chance that we could see some cooler air pushing in from the east, so there is the potential for some colder weather during January. Details of the high pressure development will need to be firmed up before we can say for sure whether we will get any wintry weather to start the new year.




Next Update


Will there be any change in the chance of a white Christmas? And will cold weather look more or less likely in January?


https://www.bbc.co.uk/weather/outlook



 

Gavin D
12 December 2018 12:15:18
Met office

UK Outlook for Monday 17 Dec 2018 to Wednesday 26 Dec 2018:

Through the middle of the month, a mix of blustery showers and longer spells of rain looks likely, with a risk of severe gales. Temperatures will be around normal for the time of year, although the south and west could become rather mild at times. However, a chance of some colder air in the north could give the risk of some hill snow. Heading into the Christmas week, it will probably stay unsettled, with further spells of wind and rain, but interspersed by some brighter and showery weather. Temperatures on the whole look likely to be a little milder than average. However, there is a small chance of colder temperatures, which could bring snow to hilltops in the north, and perhaps to low levels for a time in the northeast.

UK Outlook for Thursday 27 Dec 2018 to Thursday 10 Jan 2019:

The end of 2018 is likely to remain fairly changeable with showers or longer spells of rain, possibly wintry over higher ground. Temperatures look likely to be around normal for the time of year, although there is a small chance things could turn colder in late December. However, as we head into the New Year, there is an increased chance of high pressure becoming established close to the UK. This would bring drier and colder weather, but also an increasing chance of some snow showers and nighttime frosts.

https://www.metoffice.gov.uk/public/weather/forecast 
Rob K
12 December 2018 13:42:18
But let's just remember what the long-rangers last month suggested we should be seeing now...

UK Outlook for Saturday 8 Dec 2018 to Saturday 22 Dec 2018:

Any more unsettled weather at the start of this period is likely to be quite short-lived. The weather is then expected to turn calmer and more settled, but this will bring increased likelihood of fog, especially later in the month. Temperatures will probably be around average at first, with a few milder days but also some overnight frosts under clearer skies. Things may then start to turn generally colder later in the period.

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