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#221 Posted : 12 March 2012 19:31:10(UTC)
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New BBC weatherwise video about the drought: http://www.bbc.co.uk/weather/features/17346039

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#222 Posted : 12 March 2012 19:32:21(UTC)
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I don't like scaremongering but I think this summer could be a real problem for people in the East and Southeast and to a lesser degree elsewhere. The period when water courses hold water better is almost past now and any Spring/Summer rainfall will just serve to nourish vegetation and evaporation. From a meteorological perspective it seems like an age since anything other than High pressure governed the weather for Southern and Eastern Britain and the output (apart from the odd blip) and the extended Met Office outlooks show little sign of pressure patterns changing anytime soon.

Yeah Matt Taylor was on about that on the 6 oclock news saying any rain in the summer just evaporates and doesn't really help

We also need 2 seasons with above average rain to be back out of drought.

Excellent does that mean you will be  for low pressure, cold and rain/snow come late Autumn and Winter? 

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#223 Posted : 12 March 2012 19:42:03(UTC)

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Originally Posted by: Steam Fog Go to Quoted Post

Originally Posted by: Gavin D Go to Quoted Post

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I don't like scaremongering but I think this summer could be a real problem for people in the East and Southeast and to a lesser degree elsewhere. The period when water courses hold water better is almost past now and any Spring/Summer rainfall will just serve to nourish vegetation and evaporation. From a meteorological perspective it seems like an age since anything other than High pressure governed the weather for Southern and Eastern Britain and the output (apart from the odd blip) and the extended Met Office outlooks show little sign of pressure patterns changing anytime soon.

Yeah Matt Taylor was on about that on the 6 oclock news saying any rain in the summer just evaporates and doesn't really help

We also need 2 seasons with above average rain to be back out of drought.

Excellent does that mean you will be  for low pressure, cold and rain/snow come late Autumn and Winter? 

As long as the rain falls in Autumn and winter in the places that need it then yes.

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#224 Posted : 12 March 2012 20:06:03(UTC)
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With levels of immigration in recent decades and of migration to the SE of England from other parts of the UK, I always had my doubts whether this country could survive another 1976.

Perhaps we will find out this year. But it is as plain as your nose that population pressures and increased population density means more use of resources, including water.

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#225 Posted : 12 March 2012 20:07:16(UTC)
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All this talk of drought - sure to lead to another washout summer!

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#226 Posted : 12 March 2012 20:07:50(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Maunder Minimum Go to Quoted Post

With levels of immigration in recent decades and of migration to the SE of England from other parts of the UK, I always had my doubts whether this country could survive another 1976.

Perhaps we will find out this year. But it is as plain as your nose that population pressures and increased population density means more use of resources, including water.

I'm fairly confident the country will "survive"?? Or do you think it's all Mad Max from here on in?

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#227 Posted : 12 March 2012 20:55:03(UTC)
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I wonder whether I should buy another water butte, I have been prevaricating about it for a while now, I already have 2 and although I will use them a lot in the summer if I can its only really for about 4 monthsd use. Can I really justify spending £30

what does anyone reckon, are we really going to see stand pipes in the street. as I live at the top of a hill. Water pressure is going to be a problem, I could use water butte water to flush the toilets, am I over reacting.  

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#228 Posted : 12 March 2012 21:18:44(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Romfordman Go to Quoted Post

 I could use water butte water to flush the toilets, am I over reacting.  

Given 30l will get you a max 10 flushes, I don't think buttes are your answer.


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#229 Posted : 12 March 2012 21:26:09(UTC)
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trust Maunder to blame it on the immigrants! Anyway I don't have a water meter so I will defy the ban and continue to water when it's dark, after the curtain twitchers next door have gone to bed! Lol
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#230 Posted : 12 March 2012 22:02:22(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Romfordman Go to Quoted Post

I wonder whether I should buy another water butte, I have been prevaricating about it for a while now, I already have 2 and although I will use them a lot in the summer if I can its only really for about 4 monthsd use. Can I really justify spending £30

what does anyone reckon, are we really going to see stand pipes in the street. as I live at the top of a hill. Water pressure is going to be a problem, I could use water butte water to flush the toilets, am I over reacting.  

If you don't get any rain you won't fill your water butt isave your money... Buy some wine or beer instead or 30quids worh of bottled water

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#231 Posted : 12 March 2012 23:14:24(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Jim_AFCB Go to Quoted Post

All this talk of drought - sure to lead to another washout summer!

That's what worries me!  Another dry warm spring and then a washout summer, though last year was dry through all the seasons here.  I'd rather it rain now and have the dry sunny days in summer please. 

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#232 Posted : 13 March 2012 15:03:16(UTC)
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Good MetO blog piece:

http://metofficenews.wordpress.com/2012/03/13/why-are-we-in-drought/

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#233 Posted : 13 March 2012 15:06:24(UTC)
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Graphic from The Telegraph showing rainfall amounts in the SE in February 2012, the last 5 months, the last 17 months and also current groundwater levels. Very interesting:

Click the tabs at the top of the graphic to skip through each of the time periods: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/earthnews/9140456/Graphic-South-East-England-water-levels-and-drought-mapped.html

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#234 Posted : 13 March 2012 15:13:31(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: danm Go to Quoted Post

Graphic from The Telegraph showing rainfall amounts in the SE in February 2012, the last 5 months, the last 17 months and also current groundwater levels. Very interesting:

Click the tabs at the top of the graphic to skip through each of the time periods: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/earthnews/9140456/Graphic-South-East-England-water-levels-and-drought-mapped.html



And, as per the map in the MetO blog, the SE has had a quite a lot more rain over the past 17 months than much of the Midlands!    And most of us have had more than in 75/76.

Which goes to show, it's not just lack of rain in the SE.   Although I recall saying many, many, years ago that the only way the SE could sustain it's demand for water was if every year had above average rainfall - even average rainfall every year would not be enough in the long run. 

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#235 Posted : 13 March 2012 15:21:03(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Essan Go to Quoted Post

Originally Posted by: danm Go to Quoted Post

Graphic from The Telegraph showing rainfall amounts in the SE in February 2012, the last 5 months, the last 17 months and also current groundwater levels. Very interesting:

Click the tabs at the top of the graphic to skip through each of the time periods: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/earthnews/9140456/Graphic-South-East-England-water-levels-and-drought-mapped.html



And, as per the map in the MetO blog, the SE has had a quite a lot more rain over the past 17 months than much of the Midlands!    And most of us have had more than in 75/76.

Which goes to show, it's not just lack of rain in the SE.   Although I recall saying many, many, years ago that the only way the SE could sustain it's demand for water was if every year had above average rainfall - even average rainfall every year would not be enough in the long run. 

I blame it on all the breweries

I'd be interested to see if the SE actually has had more rain than the Midlands. The Midlands rainfall totals have been even more below average than some parts of the SE, but is the normal annual rainfall totals higher in the Midlands than the SE? If that is the case then the SE may actually have seen less rain than the Midlands, but the deviation from the mean may just be less than it currently is in parts of the Midlands. 

I have no idea of the answer myself. 

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#236 Posted : 13 March 2012 15:30:16(UTC)
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Someone I know from north London recorded more then 500mm of rain in 2011 compared to less then 460mm for me.. just saying as all.
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#237 Posted : 13 March 2012 15:43:37(UTC)
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I have to agree with some of the previous poster, its not simply a case of less rainfall, immigration and over population has a lot to answer for, there have been no new reservoirs built around here but the population has increased substancially.

My village alone has increased in population massively over the past 30 odd years, so much so that there is no land left to build a promised health centre which we badly need.

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#238 Posted : 13 March 2012 15:56:44(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Steam Fog Go to Quoted Post

Originally Posted by: Maunder Minimum Go to Quoted Post

With levels of immigration in recent decades and of migration to the SE of England from other parts of the UK, I always had my doubts whether this country could survive another 1976.

Perhaps we will find out this year. But it is as plain as your nose that population pressures and increased population density means more use of resources, including water.

I'm fairly confident the country will "survive"?? Or do you think it's all Mad Max from here on in?

Immigration? or prosperity? How many swimming pools and automatic watering systems have been installewd in the last 25 years? I'd put my money on that as an even bigger effect than population increase.

Anyway, Accuweather is forecasting another 23mm for here for Sunday, which should help - pity that it's coming at the weekend though.

 

Spare a thought for S France and E Spain - according to the forecaster on the BBC News 24 last night, they've only had 25 - 30% of normal winter rainfall, compared to SE England 60-70%.

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#239 Posted : 13 March 2012 16:09:11(UTC)

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£1,000 FINE FOR USING HOSEPIPE


HOUSEHOLDERS will face £1,000 fines if they use a hosepipe as part of plans to avert Britain’s worst drought for 124 years.


Companies have the power to impose the penalty under Section 76 of the Water Industry Act 1991, which states: “Any person contravening a water use prohibition shall be guilty of an offence and liable to a fine not exceeding £1,000.”

http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/307789/-1-000-fine-for-using-hosepipe


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#240 Posted : 13 March 2012 16:38:51(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: LeedsLad123 Go to Quoted Post
Someone I know from north London recorded more then 500mm of rain in 2011 compared to less then 460mm for me.. just saying as all.


And I recorded 387.5mm

(compared with 584.9mm in 2010 and 820.9mm in 2008, for example)

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