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#1001 Posted : 18 September 2012 11:52:23(UTC)
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GW yes you're right - edited!

I think the problem is exactly that - upper water temps are still quite high. I can't see NSIDC call minimum until a stronger refreeze is evident, although it should commence any time now.
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#1002 Posted : 18 September 2012 12:00:31(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Gray-Wolf Go to Quoted Post

 the 'open water' SST anoms keep growing apace with most of the basins 'water' now 7.5 to 10c above it's average? .

Could you show me where you got those figures Gray?.

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#1003 Posted : 18 September 2012 12:50:03(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: AIMSIR Go to Quoted Post

Originally Posted by: Gray-Wolf Go to Quoted Post

 the 'open water' SST anoms keep growing apace with most of the basins 'water' now 7.5 to 10c above it's average? .

Could you show me where you got those figures Gray?.

Sorry Aimsir old chap! I'm trying to link the NOAA global SST anom plot but since having to re-build my dying PC I've lost all my 'fave's' . If you have a link for them there you'll see the Arctic all green and yellow (7.5 to 10c anom).

I will post it up when I've grabbed it (unless someone else could and then I can stick it back in my 'Fave's'!) but i thought I'd better reply lest you thought me avoiding you!

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#1004 Posted : 18 September 2012 13:22:17(UTC)
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Thanks Gray.
Sorry to hear about your fav's.
Happened to me a while back,a right pain in the rostrum.
If you google below this will take you to the DMi site.

DMI /COI [Satellite SST analysis]

I cant see any sst anomally over 4C at most.
Would you be thinking about air temps in some areas.
mabey?.












Edited by user 18 September 2012 13:25:03(UTC)  | Reason: Not specified

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#1005 Posted : 18 September 2012 14:41:34(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: AIMSIR Go to Quoted Post

Originally Posted by: Gray-Wolf Go to Quoted Post

 the 'open water' SST anoms keep growing apace with most of the basins 'water' now 7.5 to 10c above it's average? .

Could you show me where you got those figures Gray?.

Ah Ha!!!;

http://www.esrl.noaa.gov/psd/map/images/fnl/sfctmpmer_01b.fnl.gif

But I have searched through a mass of others which do indeed show lower anom temps??

EDIT: I suppose it'll be that it's a 5 day rolling mean and not a 'daily' temp anom? Anyhow it was to try and highlight how fast this changes as we get into Autumn and areas normally ice covered remain 'open water'.

I think this is now showing on the DMI80n temp plot as I cannot find a similar year (yes, some spikes but not a constant 'warmth'). The air over the open water will now be quite saturated (as opposed to 'dry') and the more moist an air mass the slower it cools? Dr Stroeve was bugged by a lot of fog on her 'trip' and this is what I would expect at the interface between cold air and warm ocean but the fog/low cloud will also slow any radiation of the heat back into space and may even allow it to filter into the weather further south further holding up temps there?

I may start another thread looking for N.Hemisphere 'extremes' over the next 4 months to see if we do indeed find a spell of 'wacky weather' from now until Chrimbo?

Edited by user 18 September 2012 14:53:43(UTC)  | Reason: Not specified

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#1006 Posted : 18 September 2012 14:47:54(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Gray-Wolf Go to Quoted Post

Originally Posted by: AIMSIR Go to Quoted Post

Originally Posted by: Gray-Wolf Go to Quoted Post

 the 'open water' SST anoms keep growing apace with most of the basins 'water' now 7.5 to 10c above it's average? .

Could you show me where you got those figures Gray?.

Ah Ha!!!;

http://www.esrl.noaa.gov/psd/map/images/fnl/sfctmpmer_01b.fnl.gif

But I have searched through a mass of others which do indeed show lower anom temps??

I suspect that may be because the base climatology period in your link is 1985 to 1995 rather than the running 30 year mean that is used in other anomaly sets.

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