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#361 Posted : 27 May 2012 11:41:58(UTC)
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Actually, I'm astonished Belgium didn't qualify, given the high calibre players at their disposal.

What England would do with the likes of Lukaku (forget his problems at Chelski), Kompany, Hazard, Vermaelen, Vertonghen and so on.

"Watertown is quiet. It's almost as if a bomb has dropped somewhere." Susan Candiotti, CNN, April 19th 2013.
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#362 Posted : 27 May 2012 12:27:42(UTC)
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Spain and Germany will be knocking around the semi finals.

You would expect either Poland or the Ukraine to have a good run and possibly reach a semi with a bit of luck.

England have a hard group but I really think France and Sweden are more then beatable, will be hard against the Ukraine.

However I think England will finish 4th in the group and go out without winning a game, a couple of draws will be the only points.

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#363 Posted : 27 May 2012 14:52:44(UTC)
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interesting. i think 3rd in group for england - of course that isn't much better!
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#364 Posted : 27 May 2012 15:30:27(UTC)
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Woy is 'in a good moment' as Postman Pat often used to say. England aren't expected to do that well and a lot of people couldn't give a toss anyway.

One thing's for sure. By not watching any of the upcoming England games I can spare myself the torture of having to listen to that crap band playing 20+ renditions of 'The Great Escape' every bloody match.

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#365 Posted : 29 May 2012 02:57:14(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: SEMerc Go to Quoted Post

Woy is 'in a good moment' as Postman Pat often used to say. England aren't expected to do that well and a lot of people couldn't give a toss anyway.

One thing's for sure. By not watching any of the upcoming England games I can spare myself the torture of having to listen to that crap band playing 20+ renditions of 'The Great Escape' every bloody match.

 

LOL we had a band at Middlesbrough back in the samba beat days of the mid to late 90's. They didn't last long. I remember a VERY big bloke with arms as wide as a normal blokes legs standing up and shouting 'If you don't shut the **** up with the **** trumpet I am going to stuff that **** thing up your ***** arse. Which received a round of applause

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#366 Posted : 29 May 2012 08:29:49(UTC)
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Another study finds no increase in extreme weather events - which are now being touted as the main threat from AGW
http://resources.metapress.com/pdf-preview.axd?code=l446053m40t06j43&size=largest 

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#367 Posted : 29 May 2012 08:45:40(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: four Go to Quoted Post

Another study finds no increase in extreme weather events - which are now being touted as the main threat from AGW

Says who?

More nonsense dressed up as an informative post.

You're having a good day, Four.  This one plus the Dr Ball one.  Any more?

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#368 Posted : 29 May 2012 09:18:20(UTC)
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Our lowest official England support travelling to Ukraine/Poland just 3,000 which is deffo due to fears of what's instore at the other end, forget the economic crisis England Fans would be there, I'd imagine 500 of that 3,000 are the hardcore.

Last week I heard France had only sold 28 tickets YES 28 not 28,000.

Amazing how these 2 Countries known for football violence on a widescale get the oppertunity to host such a tournament.

I remember watching Ross Kemp on Gangs and he travelled to Poland, Some of the scenes were unbelievable, makes our old 70s & 80s Hooligans look tame, or a Chelsea v Spuds Meet

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#369 Posted : 29 May 2012 09:44:43(UTC)
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The biggest threats from AGW are the rise in mean global temperature, now at about 1C which will almost certainly exceed 2C and the rise in mean sea-level. Severe weather events will have an impact but the change in the mean state is the biggest.

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#370 Posted : 29 May 2012 10:20:33(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Gandalf The White Go to Quoted Post

Originally Posted by: four Go to Quoted Post

Another study finds no increase in extreme weather events - which are now being touted as the main threat from AGW*

Says who?

More nonsense dressed up as an informative post.

You're having a good day, Four.  This one plus the Dr Ball one.  Any more?

The post is informative, - for those interested. And nothing more that an analysis of climate history which tells us that presently, the extemes of weather have indeed been experienced before without increased long term event regularity.

* And extreme weather events are 'now being touted' by many of "the convinced", 'as the main threat from AGW'. I think "now" is off the mark though, because "extreme weather events" have been the main selling point for convincing the public of AGW for twenty years or more, especially by the politically motivated press. (and if AGW as sold is true, rightly so)

What is this "nonsense", you so readily identify? Personally I would like to see more of this sort of nonsense.  I can only assume that you refer to the paper in the link as nonsense? If so, which part do you find nonsense?

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#371 Posted : 29 May 2012 10:34:10(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: TomC Go to Quoted Post

The biggest threats from AGW are the rise in mean global temperature, now at about 1C which will almost certainly exceed 2C and the rise in mean sea-level. Severe weather events will have an impact but the change in the mean state is the biggest.*

How? Why? Surely this would be the cause of any threats? Can you please update me - where does the 1C come from?

Edited by user 30 May 2012 07:35:07(UTC)  | Reason: Two *'s - first removed.

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#372 Posted : 29 May 2012 10:53:20(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: polarwind Go to Quoted Post

Originally Posted by: TomC Go to Quoted Post

The biggest threats from AGW are the rise in mean global temperature,* now at about 1C which will almost certainly exceed 2C and the rise in mean sea-level. Severe weather events will have an impact but the change in the mean state is the biggest.*

How? Why? Surely this would be the cause of any threats? Can you please update me - where does the 1C come from?

The comparison between temepratures now and the mid nineteenth century ie pre-industrial global temperature. Dangerous climate change is defeined as 2C warming.

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#373 Posted : 29 May 2012 13:06:31(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: TomC Go to Quoted Post

Originally Posted by: polarwind Go to Quoted Post

where does the 1C come from?

The comparison between temepratures now and the mid nineteenth century ie pre-industrial global temperature. Dangerous climate change is defeined as 2C warming.


Aren't you assuming it must be all anthropogenic when various natural factors could account for a large % ? 

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#374 Posted : 29 May 2012 14:20:39(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: four Go to Quoted Post

Originally Posted by: TomC Go to Quoted Post

Originally Posted by: polarwind Go to Quoted Post

where does the 1C come from?

The comparison between temepratures now and the mid nineteenth century ie pre-industrial global temperature. Dangerous climate change is defeined as 2C warming.


Aren't you assuming it must be all anthropogenic when various natural factors could account for a large % ? 

The whole theory is based on assumptions IMO. 

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#375 Posted : 29 May 2012 15:32:29(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: polarwind Go to Quoted Post

Originally Posted by: Gandalf The White Go to Quoted Post

Originally Posted by: four Go to Quoted Post

Another study finds no increase in extreme weather events - which are now being touted as the main threat from AGW*

Says who?

More nonsense dressed up as an informative post.

You're having a good day, Four.  This one plus the Dr Ball one.  Any more?

The post is informative, - for those interested. And nothing more that an analysis of climate history which tells us that presently, the extemes of weather have indeed been experienced before without increased long term event regularity.

* And extreme weather events are 'now being touted' by many of "the convinced", 'as the main threat from AGW'. I think "now" is off the mark though, because "extreme weather events" have been the main selling point for convincing the public of AGW for twenty years or more, especially by the politically motivated press. (and if AGW as sold is true, rightly so)

What is this "nonsense", you so readily identify? Personally I would like to see more of this sort of nonsense.  I can only assume that you refer to the paper in the link as nonsense? If so, which part do you find nonsense?

Dave, I thought I made it quite clear by highlighting in bold the part with which I disagreed.  For the avoidance of doubt, it was not the paper it was Four's assertion that extreme weather events were being put forward as the main threat.  Clearly that is nonsense - it is indeed A threat but as Tom says, the main one is global temperature increases and associated sea level rise.

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#376 Posted : 29 May 2012 15:33:54(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: four Go to Quoted Post

Originally Posted by: TomC Go to Quoted Post

Originally Posted by: polarwind Go to Quoted Post

where does the 1C come from?

The comparison between temepratures now and the mid nineteenth century ie pre-industrial global temperature. Dangerous climate change is defeined as 2C warming.


Aren't you assuming it must be all anthropogenic when various natural factors could account for a large % ? 

Aren't you assuming that it is largely natural, without any basis for your assumption?

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#377 Posted : 29 May 2012 17:16:06(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: four Go to Quoted Post

Originally Posted by: TomC Go to Quoted Post

Originally Posted by: polarwind Go to Quoted Post

where does the 1C come from?

The comparison between temepratures now and the mid nineteenth century ie pre-industrial global temperature. Dangerous climate change is defeined as 2C warming.


Aren't you assuming it must be all anthropogenic when various natural factors could account for a large % ? 

If you had read and understood anything I have posted on here over the last 10 years or indeed anyone else trained in atmospheric science such as Stu you wouldn't ask that or even given anything more than a glance to the IPCC reports. Sorry about the exasperation but do make an effort to understand the science, how can you possibly claim to have an opinion about AGW which is after all atmospheric physics without that.

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#378 Posted : 29 May 2012 17:52:51(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Solar Cycles Go to Quoted Post

The whole theory is based on assumptions IMO. 

Do you mean the assumption that more CO2 molecules trap more outgoing radiation, thereby warming the air?

Or perhaps Stephen Wilde's assumption that the extra energy disappears instantly into space without leaving any effect whatsoever?

I assume by your post that you think assumptions are somehow a 'bad thing' and shouldn't be used.  Oh, sorry, that was an assumption wasn't it....?

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#379 Posted : 29 May 2012 20:12:06(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Jonesy Go to Quoted Post

Our lowest official England support travelling to Ukraine/Poland just 3,000 which is deffo due to fears of what's instore at the other end, forget the economic crisis England Fans would be there, I'd imagine 500 of that 3,000 are the hardcore.

Last week I heard France had only sold 28 tickets YES 28 not 28,000.

Amazing how these 2 Countries known for football violence on a widescale get the oppertunity to host such a tournament.

I remember watching Ross Kemp on Gangs and he travelled to Poland, Some of the scenes were unbelievable, makes our old 70s & 80s Hooligans look tame, or a Chelsea v Spuds Meet

A work colleague of mine is off to the Championships , he is on a bus from S****horpe driving across to the tournament,  he said they aren't worried about the Poles, whats interesting is that he told me there are more going that the number you have quoted, I will ask him tomorrow about the numbers.

As for some of the scenes seen , have to say I went up and down the UK in the late 80's and saw some horrendous scenes , worse than what has been shown

 

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#380 Posted : 29 May 2012 20:32:14(UTC)
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Hodgson has avoided dropping another clanger by not replacing Barry with Henderson. I rate Jagielka - a no-nonsense, all-action defender who can play the DM role.

Watch him now have a stinker of a tournament!

 


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