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#1 Posted : 15 May 2012 07:12:49(UTC)
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Over the last month or two I have attempted to look at the medium and longer term trends both at the end of one month and approximately during the middle of the next month.  Through April and into May there has been clear trends in terms of the expected broader synoptic pattern, but this outlook is considerably more difficult to summarise and analyse.  The primary reason being, the longer term signals are less significant or clear.  This is often a feature of the summer months when pressure patterns become very slack and ill-defined which makes for attempting to find the broader scale patterns very difficult....However, I'll give it a go!...

Clearly, and without question, this spring is likely to go down as being one of the most unsettled and most probably the coolest, or coldest in quite some time and clearly bucks the trend of recent springs.  With the exception of some glorious weather in March, which may offset that prediction, the rest of spring has been very wet indeed, as low pressure dominated the weather.  At the moment, despite the potential for some temporary settled conditions at times, I expect that the rest of May will remain predominantly unsettled. 

The above image, I believe, will generally continue to summarize the broader synoptic pattern through the rest of the month.  There are clear signs that high pressure will become influential to the east and north-east of the UK and also perhaps to the west at times as well within the Atlantic, which may bring some temporary respite from the unsettled conditions.  However, this still doesn't detract from the fact that the broader pattern is likely to be that of a trough over the UK and likely lower pressure overall.

The GFS ENS in particular, highlights this well also within the latest forecast chart for the 30th of May.  When looking at medium and particularly longer term, the details are sort of ignored with emphasis placed on attempting to find the broader patterns, particularly if there is consistency over a specific pattern.  This is the case at the moment.  The GFS ENS and the EC ENS both are consistent in terms of having a trough over the UK, whilst ridging within the jet stream is evident to the west and also the east of the UK and you can see this within the below image; 

The other noticeable feature of the weather of late is the depressed temperatures, is this likely to continue?...The overall answer is yes, but with a likely trend in temperatures to recover to nearer average as May progresses.  What there isn't any sign of during the second half of May is a surge or significant increase in temperatures into the very warm or hot category.  The generally unsettled theme is likely to sustain temperatures around average at best, but when compared with of late, it will feel warmer.  

So in summary, despite a potentially improving picture compared with the first half of May, the second half of the month looks set to remain predominantly unsettled with further rain and showers at times and with temperatures nearer average, but with little risk of any significant or sustained warmth. 

Into early June and unfortunately the scenario, at the moment, looks set to continue.  It really is near impossible to summarize the expected pattern in graphical form for early June, but the latest longer term data at the moment keeps a more negative pressure anomaly across the UK rather than higher pressure.  As a result the early expectations for the opening week of June are forecast to be for a predominantly unsettled regime to continue with temperatures near average at best.

Hopefully over the next 7 to 10 days a better understanding of what may develop into early June will develop and as a result I look forward to looking at early and mid-June more closely later in May, but for the time being it's more of the same unfortunately...

Regards to all.

M. 

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#2 Posted : 15 May 2012 07:23:46(UTC)
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Thanks Matt.....i think lol ! Whatever the weather a great analysis as usual.
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#3 Posted : 15 May 2012 07:33:46(UTC)
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Thanks Matt.  Only thing I don't understand why the Jet Stream are stuck in one place, surely the Ridge areas have to move east to pass over UK, not stationary over the Altantic and over East Europe.  In the states it move freely from W-E that why they have more varierty of weather as they don't spent months of stationary LP or HP cells than here.  

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#4 Posted : 15 May 2012 07:35:24(UTC)
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Cheers for putting together what is a very useful and informative thread. I quite like this beginning of month and mid month format when it comes to trying to predict the weather for the next two or three weeks.


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#5 Posted : 15 May 2012 07:45:50(UTC)
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Good stuff Matt, I can remember a couple of years where we have had similar spring rainfall and then with hardly the faintest hint at change, a full flip has happened almost overnight..........I know that's being optimistic looking at the longer range stuff, but I've got my fingers crossed

 

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#6 Posted : 15 May 2012 07:49:39(UTC)
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Very good analysis.  I was hoping that the concensus on here was that the 'cold for Another Month' headline is the Metro this morning was incorrect...  looks like they've got a good handle on the overall pattern too.

It also looks like Peirs ***** is going to be spot on with his forcast for May, which is very interesting.

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#7 Posted : 15 May 2012 08:11:30(UTC)
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Thanks Matt! Good read amongst so so weather.

 "Peirs ***** is going to be spot on with his forcast for May" Really?

 

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#8 Posted : 15 May 2012 08:31:43(UTC)
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Thanks Matt.


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#9 Posted : 15 May 2012 08:47:01(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Steam Fog Go to Quoted Post

Thanks Matt! Good read amongst so so weather.

 "Peirs ***** is going to be spot on with his forcast for May" Really?

 

He went for an 80% chance of a 1 in 100 year cold May...  looks pretty good thus far.

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#10 Posted : 15 May 2012 08:49:06(UTC)
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Thanks for your time in putting this together, Matt, much appreciated.

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#11 Posted : 15 May 2012 09:37:05(UTC)
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an excellent read. interesting to see the unsettled regime carry over into june. i sincerely hope we don't see warmer and settled conditions continually pushed back!
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#12 Posted : 15 May 2012 10:32:15(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: kmoorman Go to Quoted Post

It also looks like Peirs ***** is going to be spot on with his forcast for May, which is very interesting.



Looks like *****is going to be totally wrong with his forecast for May   - which was for a predominance of northeasterly winds (empathically NOT northwesterly) and the coldest May in 100 years in the east.    If only he'd listen to me and stuck with forecasting general trends (ie a cool, unsettled month) rather than making specific predictions (ie coldest for 100 years) which are almost always wrong

Anyway, it'll probably be the coldest May since 1996, but then that's no surprise given how cold that year was and how warm most subsequent years have been.

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#13 Posted : 15 May 2012 10:38:33(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Essan Go to Quoted Post

Originally Posted by: kmoorman Go to Quoted Post

It also looks like Peirs ***** is going to be spot on with his forcast for May, which is very interesting.



Looks like *****is going to be totally wrong with his forecast for May   - which was for a predominance of northeasterly winds (empathically NOT northwesterly) and the coldest May in 100 years in the east.    If only he'd listen to me and stuck with forecasting general trends (ie a cool, unsettled month) rather than making specific predictions (ie coldest for 100 years) which are almost always wrong

the general  public (and the daily express) won't realise that!

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#14 Posted : 15 May 2012 11:48:50(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: kmoorman Go to Quoted Post

Originally Posted by: Steam Fog Go to Quoted Post

Thanks Matt! Good read amongst so so weather.

 "Peirs ***** is going to be spot on with his forcast for May" Really?

 

He went for an 80% chance of a 1 in 100 year cold May...  looks pretty good thus far.

That would require a CET of 9.1C do you think that will happen?

 

Thanks for the very informative analysis Matt.

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#15 Posted : 15 May 2012 14:04:50(UTC)
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Another month like this and the running CET for the year will be close to dropping below the 1961-90 average

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#16 Posted : 15 May 2012 14:18:02(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Steam Fog Go to Quoted Post

Thanks Matt! Good read amongst so so weather.

 "Peirs ***** is going to be spot on with his forcast for May" Really?

 

Throw enough darts at a dartboard while blindfolded, you will eventually hit the bullseye!

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#17 Posted : 15 May 2012 15:39:32(UTC)
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Great analysis. Thanks Matt.
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#18 Posted : 15 May 2012 15:45:43(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Younger Dryas Go to Quoted Post

Another month like this and the running CET for the year will be close to dropping below the 1961-90 average

In other words, despite all this cold weather, we're still well above average for the year!

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#19 Posted : 15 May 2012 16:13:43(UTC)
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Excellent read thanks for this

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#20 Posted : 15 May 2012 16:52:42(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Essan Go to Quoted Post

Originally Posted by: Younger Dryas Go to Quoted Post

Another month like this and the running CET for the year will be close to dropping below the 1961-90 average

In other words, despite all this cold weather, we're still well above average for the year!

We've only had about 1.75 months of cold this year (first half Feb, most of last 6 weeks), but we've had 2.5 months or more of warmth and a few weeks of very warm in March, so not surprising. It would be surprising to go below 1961-90 averages as only 2010 has managed that recently

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