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#1721 Posted : 19 March 2012 08:20:59(UTC)
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Another win for Newcastle v Norwich puts them above Liverpool on the same number of matches.

Sorry to be pedantic, but we actually have a game in hand. However, the fact that Newcastle are 7 points clear of in 7th is still dire.

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#1722 Posted : 20 March 2012 14:43:40(UTC)
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Some big games coming up tonight and tomorrow....

A lot of draws look possible also.

 

 

 

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#1723 Posted : 20 March 2012 22:33:45(UTC)
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I was speaking today with someone who was at the football at the weekend. They said as soon as it happened people knew something major was going on. The whole stadium fell silent. Some fans were hugging each other, whilst others were in tears. There was a general air of uncomprehension around the place.

 

Nobody inside Stamford Bridge could actually believe that Torres had scored a goal.


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#1724 Posted : 21 March 2012 07:54:54(UTC)
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LOL Martin, very good.

I bloody knew Blackburn would beat us last night, one and for all ending my dream of finishing above Newcastle (it was always a tall order).

The trouble is at this stage of the season, no matter how well Martin O'Neill gets his players up for the game, the fact that Blackburn have a real something still to play for gives them the edge. I can see us having a very mixed end to the season, I just hope that we somehow manage to turn Everton over at SOL so I can have a trip to Wembley in the semis...................I don't agree with that, but it's the closest I am likely to get to a final for quite some time.

 

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#1725 Posted : 21 March 2012 21:54:38(UTC)
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Oh Liverpool 



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#1726 Posted : 21 March 2012 22:58:27(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: haghir22 Go to Quoted Post

Originally Posted by: Romfordman Go to Quoted Post

Another win for Newcastle v Norwich puts them above Liverpool on the same number of matches.

Sorry to be pedantic, but we actually have a game in hand. However, the fact that Newcastle are 7 points clear of in 7th is still dire.

Well QPR took care of the game in hand!

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#1727 Posted : 21 March 2012 23:01:50(UTC)
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Well Spurs seem to really be struggling now.

I assume they will in fact spend the rest of the season looking up at Arsenal.

Looks like they need a decent striker like RVP, the difference between the 2 teams.

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#1728 Posted : 21 March 2012 23:05:57(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Romfordman Go to Quoted Post

Well Spurs seem to really be struggling now.

I assume they will in fact spend the rest of the season looking up at Arsenal.

Looks like they need a decent striker like RVP, the difference between the 2 teams.

Not good enough. Absolutely battered Stoke. But the important stat is that it was a draw.

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#1729 Posted : 21 March 2012 23:07:52(UTC)
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Oh Liverpool 



I often wonder at the surprise. People of 20 years old and under would assume Liverpool are just another Prem team, which they are to be fair. Their days of being one of the big boys are decades ago. It's just the media that cling onto it.
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#1730 Posted : 21 March 2012 23:52:23(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: SEMerc Go to Quoted Post

Originally Posted by: Romfordman Go to Quoted Post

Well Spurs seem to really be struggling now.

I assume they will in fact spend the rest of the season looking up at Arsenal.

Looks like they need a decent striker like RVP, the difference between the 2 teams.

Not good enough. Absolutely battered Stoke. But the important stat is that it was a draw.

At least we stopped the run of losses, however I would have thought we could have won at home, next saturday chelsea away, I am not hopeful. Chelsea are beatable, but can we, if we don't I reckon Arsenal will be unstoppable for 3rd place.

Which is or rather would be personally rather disappointing, after offering so much, when will we ever be better than them.!

Place wise

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#1731 Posted : 22 March 2012 00:06:42(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Romfordman Go to Quoted Post

Originally Posted by: SEMerc Go to Quoted Post

Originally Posted by: Romfordman Go to Quoted Post

Well Spurs seem to really be struggling now.

I assume they will in fact spend the rest of the season looking up at Arsenal.

Looks like they need a decent striker like RVP, the difference between the 2 teams.

Not good enough. Absolutely battered Stoke. But the important stat is that it was a draw.

At least we stopped the run of losses, however I would have thought we could have won at home, next saturday chelsea away, I am not hopeful. Chelsea are beatable, but can we, if we don't I reckon Arsenal will be unstoppable for 3rd place.

Which is or rather would be personally rather disappointing, after offering so much, when will we ever be better than them.!

Place wise

And not forgetting we could be screwed for a CL place even if we finish fourth, should Chelsea win the CL. Not likely, admittedly, as they would likely have to beat Real and/or Barca.

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#1732 Posted : 22 March 2012 07:59:57(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Romfordman Go to Quoted Post

Originally Posted by: SEMerc Go to Quoted Post

Originally Posted by: Romfordman Go to Quoted Post

Well Spurs seem to really be struggling now.

I assume they will in fact spend the rest of the season looking up at Arsenal.

Looks like they need a decent striker like RVP, the difference between the 2 teams.

Not good enough. Absolutely battered Stoke. But the important stat is that it was a draw.

At least we stopped the run of losses, however I would have thought we could have won at home, next saturday chelsea away, I am not hopeful. Chelsea are beatable, but can we, if we don't I reckon Arsenal will be unstoppable for 3rd place.

Which is or rather would be personally rather disappointing, after offering so much, when will we ever be better than them.!

Place wise

Arsenal still have some tough games to come in the run in, however the important factor is that their confidence is on the rise whilst Spurs seem to have lost theirs. It would not surprise me at all if Spurs finish 5th now and miss out on CL through league placing.

Chelsea will bounce back from last night and they have plenty of 3 point games coming up.

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#1733 Posted : 22 March 2012 12:21:32(UTC)
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Nine points out of a possible 27. Sums it up really. The rot will stop somewhere because the run-in is relatively easy after the Chavs this weekend.

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#1734 Posted : 22 March 2012 16:59:19(UTC)
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Nine points out of a possible 27. Sums it up really. The rot will stop somewhere because the run-in is relatively easy after the Chavs this weekend.

I still think you'll finish third. Partly because of your easier run-in, and partly because although Arsenal are on a great run, you stil get the feeling they are one bad defensive performance away from capitulating, and I see that happening on a minor scale for them during their run-in 



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#1735 Posted : 22 March 2012 17:25:17(UTC)
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Oh Liverpool 

I often wonder at the surprise. People of 20 years old and under would assume Liverpool are just another Prem team, which they are to be fair. Their days of being one of the big boys are decades ago. It's just the media that cling onto it.

 

Except for since '92...

Three FA Cups

Four League Cups

Two Community Shields

1 Champions League

1 Uefa Cup

2 Uefa Super Cups

..during those 20 years. Pretty sure the usual mid-table teams haven't won that many trophies Matty?

In saying that, I am not completely blinkered. We are certainly not the force that most Liverpool fans think we have a devine right to be. 7th place is 7th place. With the team sheet on paper should anyone expect more....Gerrard and Suarez aside, I cannot see any of that team getting into any of the top four sides.

 

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#1736 Posted : 22 March 2012 17:29:27(UTC)
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Gerrard and Suarez aside, I cannot see any of that team getting into any of the top four sides.

 

Pepe would stroll into three of the top four sides.


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#1737 Posted : 22 March 2012 17:35:37(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: haghir22 Go to Quoted Post

Originally Posted by: Matty H Go to Quoted Post
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Oh Liverpool 

I often wonder at the surprise. People of 20 years old and under would assume Liverpool are just another Prem team, which they are to be fair. Their days of being one of the big boys are decades ago. It's just the media that cling onto it.

 

Except for since '92...

Three FA Cups

Four League Cups

Two Community Shields

1 Champions League

1 Uefa Cup

2 Uefa Super Cups

..during those 20 years. Pretty sure the usual mid-table teams haven't won that many trophies Matty?

In saying that, I am not completely blinkered. We are certainly not the force that most Liverpool fans think we have a devine right to be. 7th place is 7th place. With the team sheet on paper should anyone expect more....Gerrard and Suarez aside, I cannot see any of that team getting into any of the top four sides.

 

Success is measured in league titles though isn't it? Spot on with the highlighted piece

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#1738 Posted : 22 March 2012 18:37:51(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Matty H Go to Quoted Post

Originally Posted by: haghir22 Go to Quoted Post

Originally Posted by: Matty H Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: CAPE-steve Go to Quoted Post

Oh Liverpool 

I often wonder at the surprise. People of 20 years old and under would assume Liverpool are just another Prem team, which they are to be fair. Their days of being one of the big boys are decades ago. It's just the media that cling onto it.

 

Except for since '92...

Three FA Cups

Four League Cups

Two Community Shields

1 Champions League

1 Uefa Cup

2 Uefa Super Cups

..during those 20 years. Pretty sure the usual mid-table teams haven't won that many trophies Matty?

In saying that, I am not completely blinkered. We are certainly not the force that most Liverpool fans think we have a devine right to be. 7th place is 7th place. With the team sheet on paper should anyone expect more....Gerrard and Suarez aside, I cannot see any of that team getting into any of the top four sides.

 

Success is measured in league titles though isn't it? Spot on with the highlighted piece

I would honestly say that success is measured in trophies. The league however being by far the most important and the only indicator of the best side. A side that can produce the goods week in week out, or at least if not performing at 100% then grind out a result. I cannot seem to remember Liverpool grinding out a mucky 1-0 for what seems like ages. Yes there have been comic book comebacks, enthralling goal glut spectacles and famous one man shows, but no consistency for nearly the 20 years we have been discussing.  We genuinely can beat anyone on our day (hence the cup wins), but ultimately could lose to anybody any day.

Whilst the Champions League win was indeed a most coveted piece of silverware (just ask Roman!) winning it papered over cracks in the Benitez era, something that Liverpool sides seems excellent at doing now on a week by week basis. Unrest just a week ago was quelled by a resounding 3-0 success over the blue half. A week later and we capitulate to QPR after dominating them for the best part of 70 minutes. Again the football was profoundly better than under Hodgson and Benitez but what happened in the final 15 minutes was just inexplicable. People calling for Dalglish's head however would do well to remember how insipid we were under Hodgson.

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#1739 Posted : 22 March 2012 20:47:34(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: haghir22 Go to Quoted Post

Originally Posted by: Matty H Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: CAPE-steve Go to Quoted Post

Oh Liverpool 

I often wonder at the surprise. People of 20 years old and under would assume Liverpool are just another Prem team, which they are to be fair. Their days of being one of the big boys are decades ago. It's just the media that cling onto it.

 

Except for since '92...

Three FA Cups

Four League Cups

Two Community Shields

1 Champions League

1 Uefa Cup

2 Uefa Super Cups

..during those 20 years. Pretty sure the usual mid-table teams haven't won that many trophies Matty?

In saying that, I am not completely blinkered. We are certainly not the force that most Liverpool fans think we have a devine right to be. 7th place is 7th place. With the team sheet on paper should anyone expect more....Gerrard and Suarez aside, I cannot see any of that team getting into any of the top four sides.

 

Fair point. I'm not 100% sure, but I don't think that Man Utd's trophy haul was any better during their 26 year long league title drought (1967-1993). Remember, in late 1989/early 1990 SAF seemingly came close to getting what Ron Atkinson had got 3 years previously- the sack. It was only the 1990 FA Cup final replay win over Crystal Palace that kept Fergie in his job.

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#1740 Posted : 22 March 2012 21:31:15(UTC)
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Oh Liverpool 

I often wonder at the surprise. People of 20 years old and under would assume Liverpool are just another Prem team, which they are to be fair. Their days of being one of the big boys are......
"decades ago.........."  ?????



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