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#41 Posted : 02 June 2010 23:09:12(UTC)
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Gooner wrote:

Alan Thompson has gone to join N Lennon at Celtic.

God forbid, I wasn't aware he is still playing.

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#42 Posted : 02 June 2010 23:17:00(UTC)
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Gooner wrote:

Alan Thompson has gone to join N Lennon at Celtic.

God forbid, I wasn't aware he is still playing.

LOL As a coach , to help Lennon out

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#43 Posted : 02 June 2010 23:33:46(UTC)
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#44 Posted : 02 June 2010 23:49:30(UTC)
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Wonder who the new manager will be.

Doesn't really matter. The transfer coffers are empty - what top-class manager would come to Liverpool for next to no transfer funds, an unbalanced squad padded out with poor players, and a car crash of an off-field management team? All Liverpool have is their world-famous and prestigious name, and a smattering of top players. That isn't enough in this modern age of money-dominated football.

 


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#45 Posted : 03 June 2010 00:44:37(UTC)
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NUT wrote:
Wonder who the new manager will be.

Doesn't really matter. The transfer coffers are empty - what top-class manager would come to Liverpool for next to no transfer funds, an unbalanced squad padded out with poor players, and a car crash of an off-field management team? All Liverpool have is their world-famous and prestigious name, and a smattering of top players. That isn't enough in this modern age of money-dominated football.

 

£220m on 70+ players in 6 years (according to the Mail) just about sums it up.

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#46 Posted : 03 June 2010 00:49:58(UTC)
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Ever heard of Godwin Antwi? No I hadn't either.

Benitez's hall of transfer (much of it) shame.

http://www.mailonsunday.co.uk/sport/football/article-1221975/Rafa-Benitezs-229m-spending-spree-The-76-players-signed-Liverpool-managers-reign.html

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#47 Posted : 03 June 2010 06:08:47(UTC)
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SEMerc wrote:

Saint Snow wrote:

NUT wrote:
Wonder who the new manager will be.

Doesn't really matter. The transfer coffers are empty - what top-class manager would come to Liverpool for next to no transfer funds, an unbalanced squad padded out with poor players, and a car crash of an off-field management team? All Liverpool have is their world-famous and prestigious name, and a smattering of top players. That isn't enough in this modern age of money-dominated football.

 

£220m on 70+ players in 6 years (according to the Mail) just about sums it up.

That is mental

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#48 Posted : 03 June 2010 11:22:32(UTC)
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Antwi was a Ghanaian teenager signed on a free who led the Liverpool Youth Team to the FA Youth Cup back in 2006, but never progressed and was ultimately released. I'd imagine it's a tale that's replicated across all clubs, although the odd thing is that pretty much every single young player fails to make the grade at Liverpool. Either the youth/reserve set up needs ripping up and rebuilding, or Benitez is failing in bringing them through. Anyway, to look at most of the 70 players brought in, the majority have been teenagers on free or nominal transfers, many reflecting the increasingly multi-national nature of the recruitment of youth players, which is prevalent across all top English clubs

The £220m is a gross spend; his net spend is around £90m. Over 5 seasons, that's around £18m per season overall, and in the last 2 seasons has been about £5m per season. I'm not some myopic Benitez supporter here - indeed I think it's time he left - but he did have to rebuild the team after Houllier's even more profligate spending era (with next to no top quality assets to show for it). If we look at it clinically, Benitez could raise over £100m this summer by selling Torres, Gerrad and Mascherano if he so chose.

Yes, Benitez has signed some stinkers, but - and again I find myself in the uncomfortable position of appearing to be defending him - not all the blame for those signings can be wholley attributed to Benitez. The most obvious example is Robbie Keane. Benitez wanted Gareth Barry, for a sum of around £12m. Rick Parry wouldn't authorise the spend, and instead set up a ludicrously overpriced deal for Keane against the wishes of Benitez. Yes, Benitez showed the wors tof his pigheadedness by never giving Keane a proper chance, but the signing wasn't the fault of Benitez. Jermaine Pennant was another crap signing, but wasn't Benitez first, or indeed second, choice. Benitez had wanted either Simao or Daniel Alves - both of whom could have been at Anfield for around £10-12m. Again, the club wouldn't sanction the spend and Benitez had to turn to the bargain bucket to pick up Pennant. Both Simao and Alves went on to roughly double their value in the next couple of years. He also made a loss when he bought Morientes (a purchase rushed into when Owen strung Liverppol along all summer, then flitted off to Madrid at the 11th hour). Yet who could have forseen Morientes being a failure? A strong, proven goalscorer who most pundits thought ideal for the EPL, surely a snip at £6m. Hmmm.

In just a bit longer timescale, the greatest manager of his generation has signed high-cost disappointments like Veron, Djemba-Djemba, Kleberson, Saha, Alan Smith, Carrick, Hargreaves, Anderson, Nani, Tosic and Berbatov - for a combined cost of around £170m.

I take no pleasure in seeing the back of Benitez but feel we need to if we're to progress. I just can't shake the feeling we may actually end up regretting the decision.

But most of all, we need to get shot of the two twunts who own the club.

 


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#49 Posted : 03 June 2010 14:36:38(UTC)
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In just a bit longer timescale, the greatest manager of his generation has signed high-cost disappointments like Veron, Djemba-Djemba, Kleberson, Saha, Alan Smith, Carrick, Hargreaves, Anderson, Nani, Tosic and Berbatov - for a combined cost of around £170m.

As in any business you can get away with recruitment failures if you're bringing home the metaphorical bacon.

You could add Forlan to that list - a failure ot Old Trafford, and yet one of the best now.

The Ferguson trophy cabient allows him to make these cock ups without ever being held to account.

If Benitez goes...I have no idea whatsoever who Liverpool can bring in. Is there a big enough name out there who will come to a club that, as you say, is average in all but its name and reputation?

Stick or twist...

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#50 Posted : 03 June 2010 14:58:34(UTC)
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The Ferguson trophy cabient allows him to make these cock ups without ever being held to account.

Absolutely. He's also done some other good business (like getting near-£30m for Beckham, then making almost £70m on his replacement)

As for the next manager at Liverpool - and that makes a big assumption that Benitez will actually go - not a name I've heard mentioned recently, but Bilic is a good manager, knows the Premier League, and can speak the lingo. Could he be enticed away from Croatia? Maybe.

But then, given the state of the club's finances, we need to look at someone with a track record of being able to improve existing players and mould a team. That's not always the most high-profile of managers, and people far more knowledgeable about football than I will be able to pinpoint likely candidates.

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#51 Posted : 03 June 2010 15:25:24(UTC)
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SEMerc wrote:

Benitez wanted Gareth Barry, for a sum of around £12m. Rick Parry wouldn't authorise the spend, and instead set up a ludicrously overpriced deal for Keane against the wishes of Benitez. Yes, Benitez showed the wors tof his pigheadedness by never giving Keane a proper chance, but the signing wasn't the fault of Benitez.

Liverpool fans can take comfort from the fact that Spurs stiffed United not once, but twice (Carrick, Berbatov).

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#52 Posted : 03 June 2010 16:46:14(UTC)
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Latest news from my snouts (  ) at Anfield is that Dalglish will take over in a caretaker capacity, as Stadler & Waldorf feel the club is more saleable if the new owners can appoint their own manager if/when then take over.

What it effectively means is that Liverpool's activity in the transfer window this summer will be pretty much non-existent. Unless it's to sell.

 


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#53 Posted : 03 June 2010 16:57:47(UTC)
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#54 Posted : 04 June 2010 01:41:42(UTC)
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Good piece by Martin Samuel - Liverpool in danger of falling even further behind Spurs and Citeh.

http://www.mailonsunday.co.uk/sport/football/article-1283797/If-Liverpool-wrong-heading-footballing-oblivion.html

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#55 Posted : 04 June 2010 01:49:48(UTC)
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Reaction to Rafa's demise. Not complimentary, for the most part.

 

http://www.readytogo.net/smb/showthread.php?t=498840&page=2

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#56 Posted : 04 June 2010 01:56:59(UTC)
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Liverpool board members socialising.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z3NqLjPGRds

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#57 Posted : 04 June 2010 08:17:18(UTC)
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Not all Liverpool fans are happy to see him go, some were happy with what he has done. I think its the spending that has really done him though

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#58 Posted : 04 June 2010 10:19:19(UTC)
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Levy and bollockchops would collectively appeared to have lost their marbles. £20m bid for Forlan?

Too old and a flop in the Premier League.

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#59 Posted : 04 June 2010 11:08:59(UTC)
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Not all Liverpool fans are happy to see him go, some were happy with what he has done. I think its the spending that has really done him though

I'd say the vast majority of Liverpool fans either didn't want to see him go, or reluctantly concluded he had to go but are sad to see him walk out the door. He was very well-liked on the Kop, even by those who no longer wanted him in charge.

Still... onwards and downwards.


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#60 Posted : 04 June 2010 12:22:05(UTC)
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Bollockchops in the frame for the Liverpool job, according to story reproduced on Liverpool FC site

Can't see it myself because of:

1- Why uproot from God's country.

2- Why go to a club that won't be having proper European football next season.

 

http://www.liverpoolfc.tv/news/media-watch/liverpool-consider-shock-move-for-redknapp

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