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#441 Posted : 29 May 2011 07:38:39(UTC)
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mourinho's tactics are seen to be the only ones to employ against them . you either try and kick them out of the game or you lose. you have no other choice. the most incredible side we've seen - possibly ever. their retention of the ball is amazing - especially when they dont have it (which isnt as daft as it reads)

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#442 Posted : 29 May 2011 07:46:16(UTC)
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Totally Dominant display by Barca who did make the Champions of England look like footballing chumps. When the final whistle went cameras scanned across the faces of some Man U players...it was a look of relief. Barca totally dazzled their opponents with their neat quick short passing and movement...United were punch drunk. I actually at one point tried to count the Barca players as it seemed they had one or two extra on the pitch always having time and space.

Hard to analyse where Man U went wrong or looked so poor, Hernandez was a passenger..would Man U have been better playing with a midfield 5 and leaving Rooney up front on his own..? No..it wouldnt have made any difference as Barca were far too good. The scoreline did flatter Man U it could have been a wider margin. Vidic showed what a real class act he was the only player of Utd to do so.

SAF...congratulated the Barca team and openly admitted that his team were no match. The challenege he has set himself is to create a team that can match Barca.....to do that will be incredibly difficult. Where are players as good as Iniesta, xavi, Villa etc and the worlds best player Messi..? Its a tough challenge tho one that SAF will relish...the CL final is over won or lost its history.

 

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#443 Posted : 29 May 2011 08:54:52(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: nickl Go to Quoted Post

mourinho's tactics are seen to be the only ones to employ against them . you either try and kick them out of the game or you lose. you have no other choice. the most incredible side we've seen - possibly ever. their retention of the ball is amazing - especially when they dont have it (which isnt as daft as it reads)

I may be wrong here, but didn't Inter Milan knock Barca out of the CL last season while Mourinho was their manager?

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#444 Posted : 29 May 2011 08:59:12(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: David M Porter Go to Quoted Post

Originally Posted by: nickl Go to Quoted Post

mourinho's tactics are seen to be the only ones to employ against them . you either try and kick them out of the game or you lose. you have no other choice. the most incredible side we've seen - possibly ever. their retention of the ball is amazing - especially when they dont have it (which isnt as daft as it reads)

I may be wrong here, but didn't Inter Milan knock Barca out of the CL last season while Mourinho was their manager?

Yep. Jose parked the bus.

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#445 Posted : 29 May 2011 09:31:06(UTC)
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Embarrassing if you're a Man Utd fan. That was so one sided it was humiliating. Man Utd are so far behind Barca it's baffling. Really was a crap side against masters. A bunch of clueless morons against experts. Man Utd will never be even on the same planet as that Barca side for many, many years, if ever. English football lags behind the likes of that by miles. On the plus side, imagine being Welsh or Scottish

That goes for every other football team on the planet though. Barcleona are miles ahead of everybody. It's impossible to get near them. Not too gutted this time, was expected we'd get beat and that's what happened!

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#446 Posted : 29 May 2011 10:30:30(UTC)
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Aye, true. I think Man City are probably the only club big enough and rich enough to challenge them in the next few years. If they have the right manager and use their money wisely they will dominate in this country and could carry that into Europe
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#447 Posted : 29 May 2011 10:45:13(UTC)
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Aye, true. I think Man City are probably the only club big enough and rich enough to challenge them in the next few years. If they have the right manager and use their money wisely they will dominate in this country and could carry that into Europe

But even if a club has all that money how do they go about getting a team that can compete with Barcelona and their style of play? Look at Real, packed with the best talent they could buy and even they couldn't do the job! The current Barcelona team is a freak of nature. 

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#448 Posted : 29 May 2011 10:54:19(UTC)
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Exactly. And Barca will be able to maintain their momentum, given the academy they have. Money is relevant of course, but all the money in the world will count for nowt if you have a crap academy.

Citeh may well go on to dominate the EPL in the coming years, but they'll never get close to this Barca team.

United have some rebuilding to do. They don't have a particularly great midfield.

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#449 Posted : 29 May 2011 11:23:32(UTC)
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Exactly. And Barca will be able to maintain their momentum, given the academy they have. Money is relevant of course, but all the money in the world will count for nowt if you have a crap academy.

Citeh may well go on to dominate the EPL in the coming years, but they'll never get close to this Barca team.

United have some rebuilding to do. They don't have a particularly great midfield.

This has been an area that myself and John (Llamedeos have discussed many times). I do feel the SAF will look to make a cple of major midfield signings this summer

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#450 Posted : 29 May 2011 13:19:19(UTC)
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Exactly. And Barca will be able to maintain their momentum, given the academy they have. Money is relevant of course, but all the money in the world will count for nowt if you have a crap academy.

Citeh may well go on to dominate the EPL in the coming years, but they'll never get close to this Barca team.

United have some rebuilding to do. They don't have a particularly great midfield.

This has been an area that myself and John (Llamedeos have discussed many times). I do feel the SAF will look to make a cple of major midfield signings this summer

There are two ways of beating Barca as I see it.

1- Park the bus a la Mourhino

2- Kick lumps out of Barca's midfield, while breaking up their play.

The nearest United have, regarding point two, is a fully fit Fletcher. But Fletcher needs help in that area with a similar type player.

It's no accident that we beat Milan in the San Siro - 'Arry actually got his tactics spot on that night. And what did he do? - he employed Palacios and Sandro as a pair of wolves to hunt down Seedorf (and others) so that Milan never really got into their stride.

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#451 Posted : 29 May 2011 15:14:38(UTC)
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I was surprised Utd didn't start with the thug. He would have broke Messi's leg in the opening seconds with a reckless, amateur challenge. Ok, he'd have been sent off, but no Messi would have been a huge bonus. Always possible the ref wouldn't see the challenge and he'd get away with it
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#452 Posted : 29 May 2011 18:17:49(UTC)
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There's little doubt that Barca are a class act, and on the day they were far superior to Man U with better pace and a better understanding of how to dictate the game. All of the energy that the Man U team put into the game, and there was plenty of that, was largely wasted chasing the shadows left by a malfunctioning midfield which failed to breakdown the build up of waves and waves of Barca's forward forays and were seemingly incapable of providing amunition to their forward players in counter attacks.

Much has been made of how inferior Man U are, but if that's the case it's a sad indightment of how bad the English game, and that's simply not true. All those who would down Man U in support of their own frail sides, should look at how badly they did in competing against a side that won the Premiership because they worked harder and fought harder than any of their fellow contenders. Of course that's simply not good enough against such an extraordinary team as Barca have now. The difference for Man U as opposed to other Premiership contenders is that they are only about 3 players short of the world class squad they require to not only dominate the English game for a few more seasons, but also to compete on an equal footing with only a couple of other teams capable of taking the mantle from Barca.

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#453 Posted : 29 May 2011 23:24:00(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: llamedos Go to Quoted Post

Much has been made of how inferior Man U are, but if that's the case it's a sad indightment of how bad the English game, and that's simply not true. All those who would down Man U in support of their own frail sides, should look at how badly they did in competing against a side that won the Premiership because they worked harder and fought harder than any of their fellow contenders.



Any one of half a dozen Premiership teams could have performed equally as well as United did on the night - if not better. I cannot recall such a one-sided final. With the exception of VDS, and a brief cameo moment for Rooney when he scored his goal, not a single player was up to the mark, It sums it up when you consider that the only thing Valdes had to do on the night was to pick the ball out of the net once. United didn't come close, and were simply humbled.

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#454 Posted : 29 May 2011 23:44:25(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: llamedos Go to Quoted Post

There's little doubt that Barca are a class act, and on the day they were far superior to Man U with better pace and a better understanding of how to dictate the game. All of the energy that the Man U team put into the game, and there was plenty of that, was largely wasted chasing the shadows left by a malfunctioning midfield which failed to breakdown the build up of waves and waves of Barca's forward forays and were seemingly incapable of providing amunition to their forward players in counter attacks.

Much has been made of how inferior Man U are, but if that's the case it's a sad indightment of how bad the English game, and that's simply not true. All those who would down Man U in support of their own frail sides, should look at how badly they did in competing against a side that won the Premiership because they worked harder and fought harder than any of their fellow contenders. Of course that's simply not good enough against such an extraordinary team as Barca have now. The difference for Man U as opposed to other Premiership contenders is that they are only about 3 players short of the world class squad they require to not only dominate the English game for a few more seasons, but also to compete on an equal footing with only a couple of other teams capable of taking the mantle from Barca.

I think you'll find Citeh will soon be breathing down your necks, once they get a manager who can properly understand the English game and manage the various egos at Eastlands. Chelski are going to be spending big too.

United don't have the financial muscle of these two and sooner or later one of them 'will get it right' and go on to dominate the EPL.

I would humbly suggest United try to be as competitive as possible (within their financial limits) and focus on winning the EPL again before harbouring any hopes of matching Barcelona.

Not only were Barcelona 'better on the night' they'd have probably beaten United on 49 out of 50 such nights. As I said in an earlier post, United actually appear to have gone backwards since 2009.

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